DIANE? >> ALL RIGHT STEVE OSUNSAMI, IN ATLANTA, THANK YOU. FOR MORE ON THIS, I WANT TO BRING INJUSTICE AND HOPE SECURITY REPORTER AND LEGAL ANALYST FOR THE CRIME NETWORK TERRY OFTEN. THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE. JACK, THE SPECIAL GRAND JURY DOESN'T HAVE THE POWER TO CHARGE ANYONE. WHAT'S THE POINT OF BRINGING GIULIANI IN TODAY? >> THE POINT IS, THE GRANDEUR ITSELF TO HEAR FROM HIM, POTENTIALLY, SEE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY TO ANSWER SOME OF THEIR QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT HE DID IN FULTON COUNTY. I MEAN, HE CAME AND TOLD THE STORY ABOUT A SUITCASE FULL OF BALLOTS. AS THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER, HE BE A POWERFUL ADVOCATE FOR DONALD TRUMP. -- HE CAN'T LIE IN OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS. THAT IS THE PROBLEM HE FINDS HIMSELF IN. IT IS REALLY UNLIKELY THAT HE'S GOING TO SAY MUCH IN THE GRAND JURY. HE IS LIKELY TO SAY THAT HE HAS ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE IN CONVERSATIONS HE HAD WITH TRUMP. ALSO, HE MAY PLEAD THE FIFTH AS WELL. THAT MAY REFLECT ON HIM IN TERMS OF HAVING GRANBURY INTERPRETS THOSE TYPES OF DEFENSES ON HIS PART. >> TERRY, GIULIANI'S LAWYERS SAY THAT HE IS A TARGET OF THIS INVESTIGATION. WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT? WHAT IS GIULIANI EXPECTED TO SAY TODAY? >> THE TARGET IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL. YOU CAN BE INVESTIGATED, YOU CAN BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE GRAND JURY AS A WITNESS OR SUBJECT OR TARGET. IF YOU ARE A TARGET, THAT MEANS THERE WILL PROBABLY BE AN INDICTMENT AGAINST YOU. THE PROCEEDINGS MEAN THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO TESTIFY. WHEN YOU TESTIFIED YOU CAN EITHER CLAIM THE FIFTH, WHICH YOU PROBABLY WILL, BECAUSE AS A TARGET, HE IS GOING TO HAVE SOME CULPABILITY. SO, THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS CHARGE HERE AS FAR AS THIS INVESTIGATION IS CONCERNED. HE SHOULD BE READY TO EITHER PLEAD THE FIFTH OR PERHAPS HE IS GOING TO DO SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT. HE COULD DO THAT ON A GLOBAL BASIS. >> JACK, HOW LONG IT TAKES THE SPECIAL GRAND JURY TO INVESTIGATE THIS CASE? >> WELL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE THEM A YEAR TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS CASE THEY ARE GOING TO PRODUCE A REPORT. AT THE REPORT RECOMMENDS CHARGES AND OTHER GRAND JURY CAN TAKE THAT UP AND CONSIDER WHETHER INDIVIDUALS OUGHT TO BE CHARGED. >> TERRY, TOMORROW, A JUDGE WILL HOLD A HEARING ON UNSEALING THE MAR-A-LAGO SEARCH WARRANTS AS WE JUST DISCUSSED WITH TERRY MORAN. HOW DO YOU THINK THAT WILL PLAY OUT? >> I THINK THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE ANY DETAILS FOR THE AFFIDAVIT BEHIND THAT MAR-A-LAGO INVESTIGATION. I THINK THE FBI DOESN'T WANT TO SHOW ALL OF ITS CARDS. I THINK IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE BEFORE. WHEN YOU SHOW ALL OF THE ROADBLOCKS AND ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND THAT PARTICULAR AFFIDAVIT, IT MEANS THAT YOU ARE SHOWING YOUR HAND. I DON'T THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE TURNED OVER AT THIS POINT. I THINK WE ARE GOING TO NOTE, GENERALLY, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING SO FAR. THEY HAVE ALL THESE BOXES OF INFORMATION. THESE BOXES INCLUDE DOCUMENTS WHICH ARE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS. WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THE DOJ AND THE FBI ARE LAYING OUT AS FAR AS THE DETAILS ARE CONCERNED. >> TERRY, THERE IS NOW THIS INVESTIGATION IN NEW YORK. WHERE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP PLEADED THE FIFTH LAST WEEK WHEN HE WAS TO BE DISPOSED. THERE IS, OF COURSE, THE HEARING SET FOR TOMORROW ABOUT THIS AFFIDAVIT IN THE MAR-A-LAGO SEARCH. RUDY GIULIANI TESTIFY TODAY. COULD WHAT'S REALLY GIULIANI SAY TODAY HAVE AN IMPACT ON EITHER OR BOTH OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS? >> ABSOLUTELY, THE NEW YORK PROCEEDING IS REALLY A CIVIL PROCEEDING FOR HIS FINANCES. HE IS PLEADING THE FIFTH. IN A CIVIL PROCEEDING, YOU CAN USE THAT AGAINST THE INDIVIDUALLY. IT WILL BE DONE IN THIS CASE. GIULIANI, IF HE DOES IN FACT TO TESTIFY, IS REALLY GOING TO AFFECT OVERALL THE DEPARTMENT AND THE CLAIMS THAT TRUMP IS NOW CURRENTLY POSSIBLY FACING. THAT WOULD BE OBSTRUCTION OF AN OFFICIAL PROCEEDING. BECAUSE THEY DID TRY TO STOP AND CERTIFY THAT ELECTION. IT COULD BE CONSPIRACY TO DEFRAUD THE UNITED STATES. THEY WERE CLAIMING ELECTION FRAUD. IT COULD EVEN BE AS FAR AS THE JANUARY 6TH INSURRECTION AS CONCERN, SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY, I THINK GIULIANI'S TESTIMONY IS GOING TO HAVE MORE TO DO WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS LOOKING AT VERSUS WHAT IT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY GENERAL IS DOING ON THE CIVIL CASE. >> JACK, DO YOU THINK THAT ANYTHING GIULIANI SAYS TODAY COULD OFFER CLUES AS TO THE STRATEGY AND THESE INVESTIGATIONS AND HOW TRUMP SIDE OF THINGS IS APPROACHING THEM? >> WE WILL HAVE TO SEE IF, HE IN FACT, COOPERATES. IT'S POSSIBLE HE COULD PLEAD THE FIFTH. IT'S POSSIBLE HE COULD CLAIM A EDGE IN TERMS OF RESPONDING. IT IS UNCLEAR AT THIS POINT WHAT IMPACT IT WILL HAVE. OVERALL, IT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THE PRESIDENT, THE FORMER PRESIDENT, IS FACING LEGAL PROBLEMS ON MULTIPLE FRONTS. THOSE PROBLEMS CONTINUE TO GROW BY THE DAY. >> TERRY, WHAT IF ANY CHARGES COULD COME OUT OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN GEORGIA NOW. AND THE CURRENT PROCEEDINGS AROUND MAR-A-LAGO? >> WE COULD VERY WELL SEE CHARGES AS FAR AS GIULIANI IS CONCERNED. HE HAS ALREADY BEEN DISBARRED IN NEW YORK AND D.C.. HE COULD FACE SOME SERIOUS CHARGES IN CONNECTION WITH THIS. HE TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF CONGRESS IN GEORGIA THAT THERE WAS ELECTION FRAUD. HE KNEW THERE WAS NO ELECTION FRAUD. HE PUT PEOPLES LIVES IN DANGER. THOSE ELECTION WORKERS THAT WE REFERRED TO EARLIER, THEY HAVE HAD A DEATH THREATS. I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THERE IS LOOKING TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN AND TO MAKE SURE THAT GIULIANI, WHO IS BEHIND, IT REMEMBER, HE SPOKE TO A NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE. STEVE BANNON AS ONE OF THOSE OTHER PEOPLE THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GO ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT TRUMP REMAINS OR IS THE WINNER OF THAT ELECTION. SO, I DO THINK THAT WILLIS IS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE CHARGES HIM WITH EITHER FALSE STATEMENTS TO THE GOVERNMENTS ARE SOLICITATION OF ELECTION FRAUD OR EVEN THREATS OF VIOLENCE AS IT RE