YOU'RE STREAMING HUSBAND, SYLVAN, AS LIVE AND TELL EVERYONE. THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US HERE WITH US HERE ON "ABC NEWS LIVE". ON "ABC NEWS LIVE". I'M KYRA PHILLIPS AND I'M I'M KYRA PHILLIPS AND I'M TERRY MORAN. TERRY MORAN. AND HERE ARE SOME TOP HEADLINES AND HERE ARE SOME TOP HEADLINES WE'RE FOLLOWING TODAY. WE'RE FOLLOWING TODAY. DEBT LIMIT DEADLINE, A CRUCIAL DEBT LIMIT DEADLINE, A CRUCIAL VOTE IN THE HOUSE OF VOTE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TODAY REPRESENTATIVES TODAY AS PRESIDENT BIDEN AND SPEAKER AS PRESIDENT BIDEN AND SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE KEVIN MCCARTHY TRY OF THE HOUSE KEVIN MCCARTHY TRY TO SELL THEIR DEAL TO A TO SELL THEIR DEAL TO A SKEPTICAL AUDIENCE. SKEPTICAL AUDIENCE. WE'RE LIVE ON THE HILL WITH THE WE'RE LIVE ON THE HILL WITH THE FINAL VOTE JUST HOURS AWAY. FINAL VOTE JUST HOURS AWAY. PLUS, MOSCOW UNDER ATTACK. PLUS, MOSCOW UNDER ATTACK. HOW THE KREMLIN IS RESPONDING HOW THE KREMLIN IS RESPONDING AFTER ITS CAPITAL IS BOMBARDED AFTER ITS CAPITAL IS BOMBARDED BY MULTIPLE ATTACKS FROM BY MULTIPLE ATTACKS FROM THE SKY. THE SKY. AND A NEW LETTER FROM THE TOP AND A NEW LETTER FROM THE TOP MINDS IN TECH WARNS THAT IT'S MINDS IN TECH WARNS THAT IT'S TIME TO TAKE ACTION TIME TO TAKE ACTION ON ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE ON ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE BEFORE IT WIPES OUT THE HUMAN BEFORE IT WIPES OUT THE HUMAN RACE. RACE. FOR REAL. FOR REAL. THAT'S A WARNING. THAT'S A WARNING. SO SHOULD WE BE WORRIED? SO SHOULD WE BE WORRIED? I GUESS WE SHOULD OR ARE I GUESS WE SHOULD OR ARE SKEPTICAL. SKEPTICAL. >> MAYBE WE'LL BREAK IT DOWN. >> MAYBE WE'LL BREAK IT DOWN. COMING UP, WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN COMING UP, WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN WITH THE BREAKING NEWS IN WITH THE BREAKING NEWS IN THE 2004 RACE FOR THE WHITE THE 2004 RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. HOUSE. FORMER VICE PRESIDENT MIKE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE TOSSING HIS HAT IN PENCE TOSSING HIS HAT IN THE RING. THE RING. HE'S SET TO ANNOUNCE HIS HE'S SET TO ANNOUNCE HIS PRESIDENTIAL RUN NEXT WEEK. PRESIDENTIAL RUN NEXT WEEK. >> ACTUALLY , NEXT WEDNESDAY, >> ACTUALLY , NEXT WEDNESDAY, WE'RE TOLD. WE'RE TOLD. PENCE IS EXPECTED TO LAUNCH PENCE IS EXPECTED TO LAUNCH A KICKOFF SPEECH AND CAMPAIGN A KICKOFF SPEECH AND CAMPAIGN VIDEO JUST AHEAD OF HIS VIDEO JUST AHEAD OF HIS TOWN HALL WITH CNN IN DES TOWN HALL WITH CNN IN DES MOINES. MOINES. THAT IS ACCORDING TO A SOURCE THAT IS ACCORDING TO A SOURCE FAMILIAR WITH THE STORY. FAMILIAR WITH THE STORY. PENCE WILL THEN CAMPAIGN IN ALL PENCE WILL THEN CAMPAIGN IN ALL NINETY NINE COUNTIES IN IOWA NINETY NINE COUNTIES IN IOWA BEFORE THE CAUCUSES. BEFORE THE CAUCUSES. WELL, THE HOUSE IS EXPECTED WELL, THE HOUSE IS EXPECTED TO VOTE ON A DEAL TO RAISE TO VOTE ON A DEAL TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING TODAY. THE DEBT CEILING TODAY. EVERYTHING REALLY WE'VE BEEN EVERYTHING REALLY WE'VE BEEN TALKING THROUGHOUT THE PAST TALKING THROUGHOUT THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS THE FISCAL COUPLE OF WEEKS THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT WOULD RESPONSIBILITY ACT WOULD SUSPEND THE DEBT LIMIT FOR SUSPEND THE DEBT LIMIT FOR TWO YEARS AND CUT ONE POINT TWO YEARS AND CUT ONE POINT FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS IN FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS IN SPENDING OVER THE NEXT SPENDING OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. 10 YEARS. IT CLAW BACK BILLIONS OF IT CLAW BACK BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN COVID RELIEF AND IRS DOLLARS IN COVID RELIEF AND IRS FUNDING AND ALSO END FUNDING AND ALSO END PRESIDENT BIDEN'S FREEZE PRESIDENT BIDEN'S FREEZE ON STUDENT LOAN PAYMENTS. ON STUDENT LOAN PAYMENTS. COME AUGUST. COME AUGUST. PRESIDENT BIDEN AND SPEAKER OF PRESIDENT BIDEN AND SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE KEVIN MCCARTHY, THE HOUSE KEVIN MCCARTHY, THEY SAY THEY'RE CONFIDENT THEY SAY THEY'RE CONFIDENT THEY HAVE THE VOTES, BUT THEY HAVE THE VOTES, BUT A GROWING NUMBER OF MEMBERS ARE A GROWING NUMBER OF MEMBERS ARE SLAMMING THE DEAL THAT SLAMMING THE DEAL THAT THEY BROKERED. THEY BROKERED. HOUSE DEMOCRATIC LEADER HAKEEM HOUSE DEMOCRATIC LEADER HAKEEM JEFFRIES SAYS HE TOLD HIS JEFFRIES SAYS HE TOLD HIS CAUCUS THE DEMOCRATS, THAT HE CAUCUS THE DEMOCRATS, THAT HE SUPPORTS THE BILL. SUPPORTS THE BILL. >> I SUPPORT IT WITHOUT >> I SUPPORT IT WITHOUT HESITATION, RESERVATION OR HESITATION, RESERVATION OR TREPIDATION. TREPIDATION. NOT BECAUSE IT'S PERFECT, BUT NOT BECAUSE IT'S PERFECT, BUT IN DIVIDED GOVERNMENT. IN DIVIDED GOVERNMENT. WE, OF COURSE, CANNOT ALLOW WE, OF COURSE, CANNOT ALLOW THE PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF THE THE PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN GOOD REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN GARRET GRAVES OF LOUISIANA GARRET GRAVES OF LOUISIANA AND PATRICK MCHENRY OF NORTH AND PATRICK MCHENRY OF NORTH CAROLINA, WHO HELPED NEGOTIATE CAROLINA, WHO HELPED NEGOTIATE THE DEAL. THE DEAL. BOTH OF THEM JOIN US NOW BOTH OF THEM JOIN US NOW TO TALK ABOUT WHERE THE DEAL TO TALK ABOUT WHERE THE DEAL STANDS. STANDS. CONGRESSMAN GRAVES, LET'S START CONGRESSMAN GRAVES, LET'S START WITH YOU. WITH YOU. YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOUR FELLOW YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOUR FELLOW REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES ARE REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES ARE RAILING AGAINST THIS BILL . RAILING AGAINST THIS BILL . CONGRESS WOMAN NANCY MAY SAYS CONGRESS WOMAN NANCY MAY SAYS YOU'VE GOT FLEECED 100%. YOU'VE GOT FLEECED 100%. THAT'S HER QUOTE. THAT'S HER QUOTE. SO THIS IS SUCH A GOOD BILL . SO THIS IS SUCH A GOOD BILL . WHY ARE MORE THAN WHY ARE MORE THAN 30 REPUBLICANS AGAINST IT RIGHT 30 REPUBLICANS AGAINST IT RIGHT NOW? NOW? YEAH, YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK YEAH, YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHERE THE WHITE HOUSE AT WHERE THE WHITE HOUSE STARTED ON THIS. STARTED ON THIS. THEY SAID THEY WOULD NEGOTIATE THEY SAID THEY WOULD NEGOTIATE IT SO THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW FOR IT SO THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW FOR WORKER, WHICH WOULDN'T ALLOW WORKER, WHICH WOULDN'T ALLOW FOR ANY FUNDS TAKEN FROM FOR ANY FUNDS TAKEN FROM THE IRS AGENTS AND PAID TRYING THE IRS AGENTS AND PAID TRYING TO FUND NOW TRYING TO HIRE. TO FUND NOW TRYING TO HIRE. THEY SAID THEY WOULD NEGOTIATE THEY SAID THEY WOULD NEGOTIATE ANY TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTAL ANY TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATION OR STREAMLINING, YET REGULATION OR STREAMLINING, YET EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS IN THE BILL PLUS THINGS IS IN THE BILL PLUS MORE . MORE . YOU'VE GOT TO TALK ABOUT YOU'VE GOT TO TALK ABOUT THE OPTIONS THAT ARE TRULY THE OPTIONS THAT ARE TRULY ON THE TABLE VERSUS THOSE THAT ON THE TABLE VERSUS THOSE THAT ARE IMAGINARY. ARE IMAGINARY. YOUR FOLKS ARE HALLUCINATING YOUR FOLKS ARE HALLUCINATING OVER. OVER. IN THIS CASE, YOU HAVE IN THIS CASE, YOU HAVE THE GREATEST SAVINGS IN THE GREATEST SAVINGS IN AMERICAN HISTORY, THE GREATEST AMERICAN HISTORY, THE GREATEST SPENDING REDUCTION IN SPENDING REDUCTION IN AMERICAN HISTORY. AMERICAN HISTORY. WE'RE GOING BACK AND WE'RE WE'RE GOING BACK AND WE'RE ACTUALLY REINSTALLING THE ROLE ACTUALLY REINSTALLING THE ROLE OF CONGRESS IN REGARD OF CONGRESS IN REGARD TO BALANCE OF POWERS BY DOING TO BALANCE OF POWERS BY DOING THIS ADMINISTRATIVE PAYGO, AN THIS ADMINISTRATIVE PAYGO, AN AUTHORITY ON ON PREVENTING AUTHORITY ON ON PREVENTING THE PRESIDENT FROM WAVING THE PRESIDENT FROM WAVING A WAND AND TAKING ACTION A WAND AND TAKING ACTION WITHOUT THE INVOLVEMENT OF WITHOUT THE INVOLVEMENT OF CONGRESS AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER CONGRESS AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER WINS IN HERE. WINS IN HERE. THIS IS TRULY HISTORIC. THIS IS TRULY HISTORIC. WHAT HAS BEEN NEGOTIATED, WE'RE WHAT HAS BEEN NEGOTIATED, WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO TAKE THE BEST ALWAYS GOING TO TAKE THE BEST DEAL VERSUS THE IMAGINARY ONE . DEAL VERSUS THE IMAGINARY ONE . >> ALL RIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS. CONGRESSMAN MCHENRY, LET'S JUST CONGRESSMAN MCHENRY, LET'S JUST GET TO THE MATH HERE. GET TO THE MATH HERE. IN A SURPRISE TURN, NUMBERS IN A SURPRISE TURN, NUMBERS FROM THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET FROM THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE'S ASSESSMENT SHOW THAT OFFICE'S ASSESSMENT SHOW THAT THE STRICTER WORK REQUIREMENTS THE STRICTER WORK REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU AND OTHER REPUBLICANS THAT YOU AND OTHER REPUBLICANS DEMANDED ACTUALLY INCREASED DEMANDED ACTUALLY INCREASED SPENDING BY TWO BILLION DOLLARS SPENDING BY TWO BILLION DOLLARS AND MADE SEVENTY THOUSAND AND MADE SEVENTY THOUSAND MORE PEOPLE ELIGIBLE FOR MORE PEOPLE ELIGIBLE FOR THE ASSISTANCE. THE ASSISTANCE. SO TELL ME HOW THAT MATH MAKES SO TELL ME HOW THAT MATH MAKES SENSE. SENSE. >> WELL, IT'S BAD MATH . >> WELL, IT'S BAD MATH . FIRST, WHAT WE DO IS RAISE FIRST, WHAT WE DO IS RAISE THE AGE REQUIREMENT UP 50 FOR THE AGE REQUIREMENT UP 50 FOR THAT HAVE TO BE A PART OF THAT HAVE TO BE A PART OF THE WORK PROGRAM IN ORDER THE WORK PROGRAM IN ORDER TO GET SNAP BENEFITS. TO GET SNAP BENEFITS. WE ALSO HAD IMPORTANT WE ALSO HAD IMPORTANT EXCLUSIONS TO THAT. EXCLUSIONS TO THAT. THOSE HOMELESS VETERANS THOSE HOMELESS VETERANS AND THOSE RIGHT OUT OF FOSTER AND THOSE RIGHT OUT OF FOSTER CARE AND SO THE ANALYSIS BY THE CARE AND SO THE ANALYSIS BY THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE IS SHORTSIGHTED BECAUSE IS SHORTSIGHTED BECAUSE THEY DON'T INCORPORATE THE FACT THEY DON'T INCORPORATE THE FACT THAT WE RATCHET DOWN THAT WE RATCHET DOWN THE EXCLUSIONS THE STATES CAN THE EXCLUSIONS THE STATES CAN TAKE IN THE EXCEPTIONS TAKE IN THE EXCEPTIONS THEY HAVE TO THE PROGRAM, WHICH THEY HAVE TO THE PROGRAM, WHICH MANY STATES ARE GAME, AND WE MANY STATES ARE GAME, AND WE ELIMINATE THAT GAMESMANSHIP ELIMINATE THAT GAMESMANSHIP AND RATCHET DOWN THE EXCLUSION. AND RATCHET DOWN THE EXCLUSION. SO OVER TIME, WE'LL HAVE SO OVER TIME, WE'LL HAVE GREATER SAVINGS IN A SNAP GREATER SAVINGS IN A SNAP PROGRAM. PROGRAM. BUT THE BIGGER PIECE HERE BUT THE BIGGER PIECE HERE IS THAT WE BELIEVE THE VALUE OF IS THAT WE BELIEVE THE VALUE OF WORK IS IMPORTANT. WORK IS IMPORTANT. THE VALUE OF WORK IN ORDER THE VALUE OF WORK IN ORDER TO GET A GOVERNMENT BENEFIT FOR TO GET A GOVERNMENT BENEFIT FOR THOSE WHO ARE ABLE BODIED THOSE WHO ARE ABLE BODIED WITHOUT CHILDREN IN THE HOME WITHOUT CHILDREN IN THE HOME IS REALLY AN ESSENTIAL IS REALLY AN ESSENTIAL INGREDIENT. INGREDIENT. AND OUR PROGRAM AND OUR PROGRAM ACTUALLY ENSURES THAT THAT ACTUALLY ENSURES THAT THAT HAPPENS OVER TIME. HAPPENS OVER TIME. AND SO WE THINK IT'S AND SO WE THINK IT'S A FUNDAMENTALLY CONSERVATIVE A FUNDAMENTALLY CONSERVATIVE SOLUTION. SOLUTION. AND WE THINK THE SCORE AND THE AND WE THINK THE SCORE AND THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE IS INCOMPLETE. IS INCOMPLETE. SO THE CBO IS WRONG ON THAT SO THE CBO IS WRONG ON THAT ONE . ONE . AND CONGRESSMAN GRAVES, LET ME AND CONGRESSMAN GRAVES, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS OTHER CBO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS OTHER CBO ESTIMATE, CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET ESTIMATE, CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE ESTIMATE OFFICE ESTIMATE ON THE RESCINDING OF FUNDS FOR ON THE RESCINDING OF FUNDS FOR THE IRS. THE IRS. CBO SAYS THAT WOULD MEAN LESS CBO SAYS THAT WOULD MEAN LESS ENFORCEMENT AND AS A RESULT, ENFORCEMENT AND AS A RESULT, THEY SAY LESS REVENUE. THEY SAY LESS REVENUE. THEY ESTIMATE WHILE SPENDING THEY ESTIMATE WHILE SPENDING WOULD DECREASE ON THE IRS WOULD DECREASE ON THE IRS BY ONE POINT FOUR BILLION BY ONE POINT FOUR BILLION DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS ,REVENUE WOULD THEREFORE ,REVENUE WOULD THEREFORE DECREASE BY TWO POINT DECREASE BY TWO POINT ONE BILLION . ONE BILLION . SO, AGAIN, DOING DOING THE MATH SO, AGAIN, DOING DOING THE MATH HERE, THAT'S A NET LOSS OF HERE, THAT'S A NET LOSS OF NINE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS NINE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IS TAKING MONEY FROM THE IRS IS TAKING MONEY FROM THE IRS GOING TO LOSE MONEY? GOING TO LOSE MONEY? IT'S KIND OF COMMON SENSE THAT IT'S KIND OF COMMON SENSE THAT IT WOULD. IT WOULD. WHAT DO YOU SAY? WHAT DO YOU SAY? SO FIRST OF ALL, I'VE NEVER HAD SO FIRST OF ALL, I'VE NEVER HAD A CONSTITUENT EVER SAY, HEY, A CONSTITUENT EVER SAY, HEY, COULD YOU PLEASE GET MORE IRS COULD YOU PLEASE GET MORE IRS AGENTS? AGENTS? HAS IT EVER HAPPENED? HAS IT EVER HAPPENED? SECONDLY, WE'RE RESCINDING SECONDLY, WE'RE RESCINDING ONE POINT FOUR BILLION DOLLARS, ONE POINT FOUR BILLION DOLLARS, ONE POINT FOUR BILLION, BECAUSE ONE POINT FOUR BILLION, BECAUSE WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO DO IS THEY'RE IS TRYING TO DO IS THEY'RE TRYING TO WEAPONIZES IRS. TRYING TO WEAPONIZES IRS. WHAT THE IRS NEEDS IS THEY NEED WHAT THE IRS NEEDS IS THEY NEED BETTER TECHNOLOGY MYSELF. BETTER TECHNOLOGY MYSELF. I HAD TO SUBMIT MY OWN TAX I HAD TO SUBMIT MY OWN TAX RETURN, FOUR SEPARATE TIMES RETURN, FOUR SEPARATE TIMES THE SAME TAX RETURN. THE SAME TAX RETURN. THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS. THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS. THEY NEED TO WORK ON THEIR THEY NEED TO WORK ON THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE. CUSTOMER SERVICE. THEY DON'T NEED TO GO OUT THERE THEY DON'T NEED TO GO OUT THERE AND GO ATTACK AMERICAN CITIZENS AND GO ATTACK AMERICAN CITIZENS THAT ARE LAW ABIDING AND TRYING THAT ARE LAW ABIDING AND TRYING TO PAY THEIR TAXES. TO PAY THEIR TAXES. WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE IRS, THE DEPARTMENT OF IRS, THE DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY, ON SOLUTIONS THAT TREASURY, ON SOLUTIONS THAT MAKES SENSE. MAKES SENSE. TECH UPGRADES AND OTHERS, TECH UPGRADES AND OTHERS, THEY DON'T NEED TO GO OUT THERE THEY DON'T NEED TO GO OUT THERE AND GO HIRE AN ARMY OF OFFICERS AND GO HIRE AN ARMY OF OFFICERS ATTACKING PEOPLE'S TAX RETURNS. ATTACKING PEOPLE'S TAX RETURNS. WE NEED TO GO HIRE AN ARMY OF WE NEED TO GO HIRE AN ARMY OF OFFICERS SECURING A SOUTHERN OFFICERS SECURING A SOUTHERN BORDER. BORDER. >> WELL, IT IS A HASSLE FOR >> WELL, IT IS A HASSLE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO FILE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO FILE THEIR TAXES. THEIR TAXES. FAR TOO COMPLICATED, BUT IT FAR TOO COMPLICATED, BUT IT DOES FUND ALL THE GOOD THINGS DOES FUND ALL THE GOOD THINGS THE GOVERNMENT DOES. THE GOVERNMENT DOES. CONGRESSMAN MCHENRY, THOUGH, CONGRESSMAN MCHENRY, THOUGH, LET'S TALK POLITICS. LET'S TALK POLITICS. DO YOU THINK THERE'S ENOUGH DO YOU THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SUPPORT IN CONGRESS TO PASS SUPPORT IN CONGRESS TO PASS THIS BILL TONIGHT? THIS BILL TONIGHT? >> YES, THERE IS A BIPARTISAN >> YES, THERE IS A BIPARTISAN NEGOTIATION, DIVIDED NEGOTIATION, DIVIDED GOVERNMENT. GOVERNMENT. WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A DIVIDED WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A DIVIDED OUTCOME. OUTCOME. BOTH PARTIES HAVE SPENDING BOTH PARTIES HAVE SPENDING VOTE IN THE HOUSE AND THE VOTE IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE AND A DEMOCRAT SENATE AND A DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT HAS TO SIGN THIS. PRESIDENT HAS TO SIGN THIS. SO OUR EXPECTATION IS WE'LL SO OUR EXPECTATION IS WE'LL PASS THE BILL THIS EVENING PASS THE BILL THIS EVENING WITH REPUBLICANS CARRYING WITH REPUBLICANS CARRYING THE LION'S SHARE OF THE VOTE. THE LION'S SHARE OF THE VOTE. BUT DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR IT BUT DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR IT AS WELL. AS WELL. GO TO THE SENATE. GO TO THE SENATE. WE HOPE WE HOPE THAT THEY'LL WE HOPE WE HOPE THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PROCESS THAT BE ABLE TO PROCESS THAT BILL QUICKLY ENOUGH. BILL QUICKLY ENOUGH. BEFORE THE EXTENT OF THE DEBT BEFORE THE EXTENT OF THE DEBT CEILING. CEILING. THIS IS A TOUGH DEAL THAT WAS THIS IS A TOUGH DEAL THAT WAS NEGOTIATED, BUT IT NEGOTIATED, BUT IT IS FUNDAMENTALLY CONSERVATIVE. IS FUNDAMENTALLY CONSERVATIVE. AND THE REFORMS WE ATTACHED AND THE REFORMS WE ATTACHED TO IT, THE FISCAL RESTRAINT TO IT, THE FISCAL RESTRAINT THAT WE PUT AS PART OF IT, THAT WE PUT AS PART OF IT, AND WE THINK IT'S WORTHY OF AND WE THINK IT'S WORTHY OF SUPPORT IN CONGRESSMAN GRAVES, SUPPORT IN CONGRESSMAN GRAVES, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING TO THE WHAT ARE YOU SAYING TO THE DOZENS OF YOUR REPUBLICAN DOZENS OF YOUR REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES WHO ARE PLANNING COLLEAGUES WHO ARE PLANNING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS DEAL ? TO VOTE AGAINST THIS DEAL ? >> IF YOU LISTEN TO THE >> IF YOU LISTEN TO THE PRESIDENT , WHAT THEY'RE SAYING PRESIDENT , WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THEY WANT TO SEE EVEN IS THEY WANT TO SEE EVEN GREATER SAVINGS. GREATER SAVINGS. WE WANT TO SEE GRIDDING SPEND WE WANT TO SEE GRIDDING SPEND A GREATER SPENDING REDUCTIONS. A GREATER SPENDING REDUCTIONS. I CAN SPEAK FOR CONGRESSMAN I CAN SPEAK FOR CONGRESSMAN MCHENRY AND SAY THAT WE MCHENRY AND SAY THAT WE ABSOLUTELY SHARE THOSE ABSOLUTELY SHARE THOSE OBJECTIVES. OBJECTIVES. BUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IN BUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS IS YOU A SITUATION LIKE THIS IS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE VARIOUS HAVE TO LOOK AT THE VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES AND CHOOSE THE ONE ALTERNATIVES AND CHOOSE THE ONE THAT'S BEST. THAT'S BEST. IN THIS CASE, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THIS CASE, WE'RE GOING TO BE SAVING YOUR STATISTICS, SAY SAVING YOUR STATISTICS, SAY ONE POINT FIVE TRILLION. ONE POINT FIVE TRILLION. WE'VE ESTIMATED ACTUALLY TWO WE'VE ESTIMATED ACTUALLY TWO TRILLION DOLLARS IN SAVINGS. TRILLION DOLLARS IN SAVINGS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIX YEARS OF IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIX YEARS OF BUDGET, WE'RE PUTTING THIS IN BUDGET, WE'RE PUTTING THIS IN THIS BILL THAT'S GOING TO LIMIT THIS BILL THAT'S GOING TO LIMIT SPENDING. SPENDING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESCISSIONS IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESCISSIONS IN FUNDING, THIS IS THE IN FUNDING, THIS IS THE GREATEST RECESSION GREATEST RECESSION YOU'RE TAKING BACK OF FUNDING YOU'RE TAKING BACK OF FUNDING FROM FEDERAL AGENCIES IN FROM FEDERAL AGENCIES IN AMERICAN HISTORY. AMERICAN HISTORY. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THEM IN HISTORY AND COMBINED THEM IN HISTORY AND COMBINED THEM, THIS ONE IS EVEN GREATER. THEM, THIS ONE IS EVEN GREATER. WE'RE PUTTING WORK REQUIREMENTS WE'RE PUTTING WORK REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE, STRENGTHENING THEM, IN PLACE, STRENGTHENING THEM, AS CONGRESSMAN MCHENRY SAID , AS CONGRESSMAN MCHENRY SAID , WE'RE COMING IN AND ELIMINATING WE'RE COMING IN AND ELIMINATING THIS. THIS. PALLS OF THE STUDENT LOANS. PALLS OF THE STUDENT LOANS. WE'RE STREAMLINING WE'RE STREAMLINING ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS. ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS. THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THIS THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THIS IS THE BEST THING WE'RE GOING IS THE BEST THING WE'RE GOING TO GET. TO GET. YOU GOT TO KEEP IN MIND, YOU GOT TO KEEP IN MIND, YOU HAVE A DEMOCRAT MAJORITY YOU HAVE A DEMOCRAT MAJORITY SENATE. SENATE. WE HAVE A DEMOCRAT WE HAVE A DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT AND WE HAVE PRESIDENT AND WE HAVE NEGOTIATED THE ABSOLUTE BEST NEGOTIATED THE ABSOLUTE BEST DEAL IN AMERICAN HISTORY IN DEAL IN AMERICAN HISTORY IN REGARD TO SAVINGS. REGARD TO SAVINGS. THIS IS THE BEST DEAL AVAILABLE THIS IS THE BEST DEAL AVAILABLE . . WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO OUT THERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND GO MISLEAD THE AMERICAN AND GO MISLEAD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND MAKE THEM THINK THAT PEOPLE AND MAKE THEM THINK THAT THERE'S AN ILLUSION OF A FIFTH THERE'S AN ILLUSION OF A FIFTH OR SIXTH OPTION OUT THERE. OR SIXTH OPTION OUT THERE. THIS IS THE GREATEST SAVINGS. THIS IS THE GREATEST SAVINGS. THIS IS THE THESE ARE THIS IS THE THESE ARE THE GREATEST REFORMS. THE GREATEST REFORMS. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT VOTING FOR WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT VOTING FOR SUPPORTING IT AND WATCHING THIS SUPPORTING IT AND WATCHING THIS PARADIGM SHIFT BEGIN IN PARADIGM SHIFT BEGIN IN WASHINGTON. WASHINGTON. >> WELL, THE NAACP WOULD SAY >> WELL, THE NAACP WOULD SAY JUST THE OPPOSITE. JUST THE OPPOSITE. THEY PUT OUT THIS STATEMENT THEY PUT OUT THIS STATEMENT SAYING, LET'S BE CLEAR, WHILE SAYING, LET'S BE CLEAR, WHILE THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE DEBT THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE DEBT CEILING WAS TO SOLVE CEILING WAS TO SOLVE A PRACTICAL CHALLENGE OF A PRACTICAL CHALLENGE OF PAYING THE NATION'S BILLS PAYING THE NATION'S BILLS DURING WORLD WAR ONE , IT HAS DURING WORLD WAR ONE , IT HAS BECOME A WEAPON USED BECOME A WEAPON USED BY CONSERVATIVE EXTREMISTS BY CONSERVATIVE EXTREMISTS TO HOLD THE LIVES TO HOLD THE LIVES AND LIVELIHOODS OF AND LIVELIHOODS OF BLACK AMERICA AND COUNTLESS BLACK AMERICA AND COUNTLESS OTHERS HOSTAGE. OTHERS HOSTAGE. CONGRESSMAN MCHENRY, WHAT DO CONGRESSMAN MCHENRY, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT? YOU SAY TO THAT? WELL, THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT. WELL, THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT. IT IS ABOUT ENSURING WE RAISE IT IS ABOUT ENSURING WE RAISE THE DEBT CEILING. THE DEBT CEILING. HOUSE REPUBLICANS WERE THE ONLY HOUSE REPUBLICANS WERE THE ONLY ONES THAT PASSED A PLAN ONES THAT PASSED A PLAN TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING. TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING. AND WE DID SO ABOUT SIX WEEKS AND WE DID SO ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO. AGO. THAT BROUGHT A DEMOCRAT PRESENT THAT BROUGHT A DEMOCRAT PRESENT WHO REFUSED, REFUSING NEGOTIATE WHO REFUSED, REFUSING NEGOTIATE THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR. AND LISTEN TO CHUCK SCHUMER'S AND LISTEN TO CHUCK SCHUMER'S GADS STRATEGY HERE AND SAID HE GADS STRATEGY HERE AND SAID HE WOULD NOT NEGOTIATE WITH A WOULD NOT NEGOTIATE WITH A REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. THE HOUSE. REPUBLICANS PASSED A PLAN OUT REPUBLICANS PASSED A PLAN OUT OF THE HOUSE. OF THE HOUSE. THE CUTS, SPENDING AND ENSURE THE CUTS, SPENDING AND ENSURE WE HAD GREATER ECONOMIC GROWTH WE HAD GREATER ECONOMIC GROWTH AND RAISE THE DEBT CEILING. AND RAISE THE DEBT CEILING. THE SENATE SENATE DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE SENATE DEMOCRATS IN THE MAJORITY THERE COULDN'T THE MAJORITY THERE COULDN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. PRODUCE ANYTHING. THEY COULDN'T PRODUCE A CLEAN THEY COULDN'T PRODUCE A CLEAN DEBT CEILING INCREASE. DEBT CEILING INCREASE. THEY COULDN'T PRODUCE ANY THEY COULDN'T PRODUCE ANY BILL TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING. BILL TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING. HOUSE REPUBLICANS. HOUSE REPUBLICANS. AND THAT'S WHY THE PRESIDENT AND THAT'S WHY THE PRESIDENT NEGOTIATED WITH THE SPEAKER FOR NEGOTIATED WITH THE SPEAKER FOR THIS OUTCOME THAT WE HAVE THIS OUTCOME THAT WE HAVE TODAY. TODAY. AND THE CONSERVATIVE POLICY AND THE CONSERVATIVE POLICY AGENDA THAT WE'VE ATTACHED AGENDA THAT WE'VE ATTACHED TO THIS DEBT CEILING IS WORTHY TO THIS DEBT CEILING IS WORTHY IN SUPPORT OF MY REPUBLICAN IN SUPPORT OF MY REPUBLICAN FRIENDS AND THOSE THAT WANT FRIENDS AND THOSE THAT WANT TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING. TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING. >> OTHERWISE, IT IF I CAN JUST >> OTHERWISE, IT IF I CAN JUST JUMP IN REAL QUICK. JUMP IN REAL QUICK. LOOK, I COME FROM A MAJORITY LOOK, I COME FROM A MAJORITY BLACK HOMETOWN. BLACK HOMETOWN. IF YOU THINK I WOULD GO DO IF YOU THINK I WOULD GO DO SOMETHING, AFFECTS THE MAJORITY SOMETHING, AFFECTS THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WE'RE OF THE PEOPLE WE'RE REPRESENTING IN MY HOMETOWN. REPRESENTING IN MY HOMETOWN. THAT'S JUST ABSURD. THAT'S JUST ABSURD. THAT IS MISCHARACTERIZED, THAT IS MISCHARACTERIZED, MISCHARACTERIZED OF THIS MISCHARACTERIZED OF THIS LEGISLATION. LEGISLATION. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT NEITHER AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT NEITHER ONE OF US WOULD EVER DO ONE OF US WOULD EVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'LL BE FOLLOWING EVERY WE'LL BE FOLLOWING EVERY THROUGHOUT THE AFTERNOON THROUGHOUT THE AFTERNOON AND INTO THE EVENING. AND INTO THE EVENING. CONGRESSMAN GARRET GRAVES, ALSO CONGRESSMAN GARRET GRAVES, ALSO PATRICK HENRY, APPRECIATE PATRICK HENRY, APPRECIATE YOU BOTH. YOU BOTH. >> THANK YOU . >> THANK YOU . THANK YOU . THANK YOU . NOW THE WAR IN UKRAINE. NOW THE WAR IN UKRAINE. >> RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR >> RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN ACCUSING UKRAINE OF PUTIN ACCUSING UKRAINE OF TERRORIST ACTIVITIES. TERRORIST ACTIVITIES. NOW AFTER THOSE EIGHT DRONES NOW AFTER THOSE EIGHT DRONES EXPLODED IN AND AROUND MOSCOW EXPLODED IN AND AROUND MOSCOW WITH EXPLOSIONS JUST WITH EXPLOSIONS JUST THREE MILES FROM PUTIN'S THREE MILES FROM PUTIN'S COUNTRY HOME. COUNTRY HOME. >> RUSSIA SAYS IT RESERVES >> RUSSIA SAYS IT RESERVES THE RIGHT TO RESPOND IN THE RIGHT TO RESPOND IN THE TOUGHEST POSSIBLE WAY. THE TOUGHEST POSSIBLE WAY. TODAY, WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN TODAY, WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN JOHN KIRBY SAID THE U.S. DOES JOHN KIRBY SAID THE U.S. DOES NOT SUPPORT THE STRIKES IN NOT SUPPORT THE STRIKES IN RUSSIA. RUSSIA. >> WE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR WITH >> WE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR WITH THE UKRAINIANS PRIVATELY. THE UKRAINIANS PRIVATELY. WE CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN WE CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN CLEAR PUBLICLY THAT WE DO NOT CLEAR PUBLICLY THAT WE DO NOT SUPPORT ATTACKS INSIDE RUSSIA SUPPORT ATTACKS INSIDE RUSSIA AND WE DO NOT ENABLE AND WE DO AND WE DO NOT ENABLE AND WE DO NOT ENCOURAGE ATTACKS INSIDE NOT ENCOURAGE ATTACKS INSIDE RUSSIA. RUSSIA. AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SEE ATTACKS INSIDE RUSSIA TO SEE ATTACKS INSIDE RUSSIA THAT ARE THAT ARE BEING THAT ARE THAT ARE BEING PROPAGATED, THAT ARE BEING PROPAGATED, THAT ARE BEING CONDUCTED USING US SUPPLIED CONDUCTED USING US SUPPLIED EQUIPMENT. EQUIPMENT. AND ABC NEWS FOREIGN AND ABC NEWS FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT CORRESPONDENT TOM SOUFI BURRIDGE JOINS US NOW TOM SOUFI BURRIDGE JOINS US NOW FROM KHARKIV, UKRAINE, ALONG FROM KHARKIV, UKRAINE, ALONG WITH ABC NEWS, NATIONAL WITH ABC NEWS, NATIONAL SECURITY AND DEFENSE ANALYST SECURITY AND DEFENSE ANALYST NICK MULROY. NICK MULROY. SO, TOM , YOU KNOW, RUSSIA SAYS SO, TOM , YOU KNOW, RUSSIA SAYS THEY'RE GOING TO RESPOND IN THEY'RE GOING TO RESPOND IN THE TOUGHEST POSSIBLE WAY, THE TOUGHEST POSSIBLE WAY, GIVEN WHAT UKRAINE LOOKS LIKE GIVEN WHAT UKRAINE LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ENDURING. AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ENDURING. WHAT COULD THAT MEAN? WHAT COULD THAT MEAN? I THINK IT'S A GUESSING GAME, I THINK IT'S A GUESSING GAME, TERRY . TERRY . >> I MEAN, THE BEST GUESS >> I MEAN, THE BEST GUESS IS PROBABLY THAT RUSSIA IS PROBABLY THAT RUSSIA IS GOING TO LAUNCH ANOTHER WAVE IS GOING TO LAUNCH ANOTHER WAVE OF DRONES, LETHAL DRONES, OF DRONES, LETHAL DRONES, AND MISSILES. AND MISSILES. THERE ARE REPORTS FROM THERE ARE REPORTS FROM THE UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS THAT THE UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS THAT THERE ARE WARSHIPS, RUSSIAN THERE ARE WARSHIPS, RUSSIAN WARSHIPS IN THE BLACK SEA. WARSHIPS IN THE BLACK SEA. THAT'S SORT OF A BIT OF AN THAT'S SORT OF A BIT OF AN OMINOUS WARNING. OMINOUS WARNING. MISSILE ATTACKS COULD MISSILE ATTACKS COULD BE FORTHCOMING, BUT I THINK BE FORTHCOMING, BUT I THINK THE UKRAINIANS ARE RESIGNED THE UKRAINIANS ARE RESIGNED TO WAVES OF DRONE AND MISSILE TO WAVES OF DRONE AND MISSILE ATTACKS CONTINUING IRRESPECTIVE ATTACKS CONTINUING IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER THAT DRONE ATTACK OF WHETHER THAT DRONE ATTACK ON MOSCOW HAD HAPPENED OR NOT. ON MOSCOW HAD HAPPENED OR NOT. MOST UKRAINIANS RIGHT NOW ARE MOST UKRAINIANS RIGHT NOW ARE FOCUSED ON THEIR MILITARY FOCUSED ON THEIR MILITARY TRYING TO RECAPTURE MORE OF TRYING TO RECAPTURE MORE OF THEIR TERRITORY. THEIR TERRITORY. AND AT THE MOMENT, AND AT THE MOMENT, THE UKRAINIAN MILITARY SEEMS THE UKRAINIAN MILITARY SEEMS TO BE INTENT ON TAKING A FIGHT TO BE INTENT ON TAKING A FIGHT INSIDE RUSSIA. INSIDE RUSSIA. SOME OF THE WAR INSIDE RUSSIA. SOME OF THE WAR INSIDE RUSSIA. AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS KIND OF BROADER PICTURE THIS KIND OF BROADER PICTURE TELLS US . TELLS US . SO WHAT'S UKRAINE STRATEGY SO WHAT'S UKRAINE STRATEGY HERE? HERE? SO I THINK IT'S REALLY A VERY SO I THINK IT'S REALLY A VERY PRACTICAL THING FOR THEM TO DO. PRACTICAL THING FOR THEM TO DO. I UNDERSTAND, OF COURSE, WHY I UNDERSTAND, OF COURSE, WHY THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T WANT THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T WANT TO PROMOTE THIS. TO PROMOTE THIS. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE A WAR WE DON'T WANT TO SEE A WAR BETWEEN THE U.S. AND RUSSIA BETWEEN THE U.S. AND RUSSIA TO NUCLEAR SUPERPOWERS. TO NUCLEAR SUPERPOWERS. BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE UKRAINIANS THAT THEY DON'T THE UKRAINIANS THAT THEY DON'T ALLOW AN ALREADY OVERWHELMING ALLOW AN ALREADY OVERWHELMING ENEMY TO HAVE A SAFE HAVEN ENEMY TO HAVE A SAFE HAVEN RIGHT NEXT TO THEM. RIGHT NEXT TO THEM. SO FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES, SO FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES, THEY NEEDED TO FLEE THE COMMAND THEY NEEDED TO FLEE THE COMMAND AND CONTROL CENTERS, AND CONTROL CENTERS, THE LOGISTICAL SUPPLY, THE BULK THE LOGISTICAL SUPPLY, THE BULK FUEL, THOSE KIND OF TARGETS ARE FUEL, THOSE KIND OF TARGETS ARE WHAT FEEDS THE INVASION INTO WHAT FEEDS THE INVASION INTO THEIR COUNTRY. THEIR COUNTRY. SO THIS IS A VERY PRACTICAL SO THIS IS A VERY PRACTICAL THING FOR THE UKRAINIANS. THING FOR THE UKRAINIANS. AND I'D ALSO SAY IT'S VERY AND I'D ALSO SAY IT'S VERY SYMBOLIC BECAUSE IT SHOWS SYMBOLIC BECAUSE IT SHOWS RUSSIA THAT THEY CAN'T START RUSSIA THAT THEY CAN'T START A WAR AND THEN BE IMMUNE FROM A WAR AND THEN BE IMMUNE FROM IT IN THEIR OWN TERRITORY. IT IN THEIR OWN TERRITORY. SO I THINK IT SENDS SO I THINK IT SENDS TWO MESSAGES FROM TWO MESSAGES FROM THE UKRAINIANS. THE UKRAINIANS. >> HMM. >> HMM. AND TOM, WE'VE BEEN HEARING NOW AND TOM, WE'VE BEEN HEARING NOW FOR A LONG TIME ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME ABOUT THE EXPECTED UKRAINIAN THE EXPECTED UKRAINIAN COUNTEROFFENSIVE. COUNTEROFFENSIVE. IT'S SEEMS ALMOST AS IF IT'S IT'S SEEMS ALMOST AS IF IT'S BEEN DELAYED, PERHAPS FOR LACK BEEN DELAYED, PERHAPS FOR LACK OF AMMUNITION. OF AMMUNITION. THERE WAS COMPLAINTS AT THERE WAS COMPLAINTS AT ONE POINT THAT THEY WEREN'T ONE POINT THAT THEY WEREN'T GETTING SUFFICIENT AMMUNITION. GETTING SUFFICIENT AMMUNITION. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING? WHAT ARE YOU HEARING? I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO TELL I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU THE ABSOLUTE DETAILS. YOU THE ABSOLUTE DETAILS. WHAT'S YOUR SENSE OF THIS? WHAT'S YOUR SENSE OF THIS? A LONG ANTICIPATED UKRAINIAN A LONG ANTICIPATED UKRAINIAN COUNTEROFFENSIVE? COUNTEROFFENSIVE? YEAH, I WISH I HAD MUCH YEAH, I WISH I HAD MUCH ACCOUNTS THAT WE'RE ALL SORT OF ACCOUNTS THAT WE'RE ALL SORT OF PLAYING THAT GUESSING GAME. PLAYING THAT GUESSING GAME. WE HAVE BEEN FOR WEEKS, IF NOT WE HAVE BEEN FOR WEEKS, IF NOT MONTHS, I THINK LIKE. MONTHS, I THINK LIKE. YEAH. YEAH. AND , YOU KNOW, TO IT PARTLY AND , YOU KNOW, TO IT PARTLY I THINK THE UKRAINIANS HAVE I THINK THE UKRAINIANS HAVE TO SOME EXTENT BEEN WAITING FOR TO SOME EXTENT BEEN WAITING FOR MORE MILITARY EQUIPMENT TO GET MORE MILITARY EQUIPMENT TO GET IN. IN. THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF RUMORS THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF RUMORS SWIRLING AROUND. SWIRLING AROUND. NOTHING CONFIRMED. NOTHING CONFIRMED. THE U.S. IS NOW GREENLIGHTED THE U.S. IS NOW GREENLIGHTED TO THE IDEA THAT F-16 COULD TO THE IDEA THAT F-16 COULD GET TO UKRAINE. GET TO UKRAINE. SOME PEOPLE ARE SUGGESTING SOME PEOPLE ARE SUGGESTING COULD SOME OF THOSE TEAMS COULD SOME OF THOSE TEAMS GET HERE QUICKER THAN WE GET HERE QUICKER THAN WE CURRENTLY ARE LED TO BELIEVE? CURRENTLY ARE LED TO BELIEVE? AND THEN COULD THAT BE PART OF AND THEN COULD THAT BE PART OF THE COUNTER OFFENSIVE? THE COUNTER OFFENSIVE? I THINK ALSO THE UKRAINIANS ARE I THINK ALSO THE UKRAINIANS ARE NOT IN ANY RUSH RIGHT NOW. NOT IN ANY RUSH RIGHT NOW. I THINK WHAT WE'VE HAD IN I THINK WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO IS THAT THE LAST WEEK OR SO IS THAT WE'VE HAD VERY SENIOR WE'VE HAD VERY SENIOR OFFICIALS, INCLUDING OFFICIALS, INCLUDING THE COMMANDER OVERALL COMMANDER THE COMMANDER OVERALL COMMANDER OF THE UKRAINIAN ARMED FORCES, OF THE UKRAINIAN ARMED FORCES, GENERAL CELESTIALLY, SAYING GENERAL CELESTIALLY, SAYING WE'RE READY TO GO NOW. WE'RE READY TO GO NOW. WE'RE READY TO TAKE BACK WHAT WE'RE READY TO TAKE BACK WHAT IS OURS WAS THE WAY HE PUT IT. IS OURS WAS THE WAY HE PUT IT. BUT I THINK NOW IT'S THE KIND BUT I THINK NOW IT'S THE KIND OF PSYCHOLOGICAL GAME THAT OF PSYCHOLOGICAL GAME THAT KEEPING THE RUSSIANS WAITING, KEEPING THE RUSSIANS WAITING, THAT UPPING THEIR ATTACKS IN THAT UPPING THEIR ATTACKS IN TERMS OF ARTILLERY ALONG TERMS OF ARTILLERY ALONG THE FRONT LINES, THAT UPPING THE FRONT LINES, THAT UPPING THEIR MISSILE STRIKES DEEP THEIR MISSILE STRIKES DEEP BEHIND THE RUSSIAN LINES BEHIND THE RUSSIAN LINES IS MICK WAS POINTING OUT THAT IS MICK WAS POINTING OUT THAT TO HIT RUSSIAN ASSETS, TO HIT RUSSIAN ASSETS, TO DEBILITATE THE RUSSIAN TO DEBILITATE THE RUSSIAN MILITARY MORE GENERALLY MAKE MILITARY MORE GENERALLY MAKE THEM WEAKER. THEM WEAKER. AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO WAIT AND THEY'RE GOING TO WAIT AND THEY'RE GOING TO PICK A MOMENT AND THEY'RE TO PICK A MOMENT AND THEY'RE GOING TO CHOOSE THE PLACES GOING TO CHOOSE THE PLACES WHERE THEY SEE WEAKNESSES, WHERE THEY SEE WEAKNESSES, THE DEFENSES OF THE RUSSIANS, THE DEFENSES OF THE RUSSIANS, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY'LL MOVE AND THAT'S WHEN THEY'LL MOVE AND THEY MIGHT NOT MOVE AND THEY MIGHT NOT MOVE POTENTIALLY FOR WEEKS. POTENTIALLY FOR WEEKS. >> ALL RIGHT, TOM . >> ALL RIGHT, TOM . >> NICK , THANKS SO MUCH. >> NICK , THANKS SO MUCH. AND COMING UP, FORMER VICE AND COMING UP, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE IS NOW PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE IS NOW ANNOUNCING HIS BID FOR ANNOUNCING HIS BID FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. THE WHITE HOUSE. HE'LL DO IT NEXT WEEK IN IOWA. HE'LL DO IT NEXT WEEK IN IOWA. WE'RE LIVE IN THE HAWKEYE STATE WE'RE LIVE IN THE HAWKEYE STATE COMING UP NEXT. COMING UP NEXT. THE AGE OF INFLUENCE ON THE . AND NOW BACK TO THAT BREAKING NEWS IN THE TWENTY, NEWS IN THE TWENTY, TWENTY FOUR RACE FOR THE WHITE TWENTY FOUR RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. HOUSE. YES, INDEED. YES, INDEED. IT'S HEATING UP. IT'S HEATING UP. FORMER VICE PRESIDENT MIKE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE IS SET TO ANNOUNCE HIS PENCE IS SET TO ANNOUNCE HIS PRESIDENTIAL RUN NEXT PRESIDENTIAL RUN NEXT WEDNESDAY. WEDNESDAY. JOINING US NOW, JOINING US NOW, ABC NEWS POLITICAL ABC NEWS POLITICAL DIRECTOR RICK KLEIN. DIRECTOR RICK KLEIN. ALSO, ALEX , WHO IS IN IOWA ALSO, ALEX , WHO IS IN IOWA COVERING THE CAMPAIGN KICKOFF COVERING THE CAMPAIGN KICKOFF FOR FLORIDA FOR FLORIDA GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS. GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS. RICK , GOP PRIMARY CLEARLY RICK , GOP PRIMARY CLEARLY HEATING UP. HEATING UP. WHAT ARE YOU LEARNING ABOUT WHAT ARE YOU LEARNING ABOUT PENCE'S ANNOUNCEMENT AND HOW DO PENCE'S ANNOUNCEMENT AND HOW DO YOU THINK HE'S RECEIVED YOU THINK HE'S RECEIVED BY VOTERS COMPARED TO THE GOP BY VOTERS COMPARED TO THE GOP CANDIDATES WHO'VE ALREADY COME CANDIDATES WHO'VE ALREADY COME FORWARD AND DECLARED, YEAH, FORWARD AND DECLARED, YEAH, WE'LL BE BACK IN IOWA A WEEK WE'LL BE BACK IN IOWA A WEEK FROM TODAY TO COVER THE PENCE FROM TODAY TO COVER THE PENCE ANNOUNCEMENT, WHICH WE ARE TOLD ANNOUNCEMENT, WHICH WE ARE TOLD WILL COME NEXT WEDNESDAY? WILL COME NEXT WEDNESDAY? NOT A BIG SURPRISE. NOT A BIG SURPRISE. HE'S BEEN OPENLY TALKING ABOUT HE'S BEEN OPENLY TALKING ABOUT THIS POSSIBILITY FOR SOME TIME THIS POSSIBILITY FOR SOME TIME ,BUT THERE ISN'T MUCH IN HIS ,BUT THERE ISN'T MUCH IN HIS FAVORABILITY NUMBERS THAT FAVORABILITY NUMBERS THAT SUGGESTS THAT HE'S GOT ANYTHING SUGGESTS THAT HE'S GOT ANYTHING MORE TO CONVINCE A LOT OF MORE TO CONVINCE A LOT OF SKEPTICAL VOTERS. SKEPTICAL VOTERS. IT DOES LOOK IN THE LATEST IT DOES LOOK IN THE LATEST POLLING THAT HE'S TAKING IT POLLING THAT HE'S TAKING IT FROM BOTH SIDES. FROM BOTH SIDES. A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT OPPOSE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT OPPOSE TRUMP THINK HE MIGHT BE TOO TRUMP THINK HE MIGHT BE TOO CLOSE TO TRUMP. CLOSE TO TRUMP. BUT A BIGGER PROBLEM IS THAT BUT A BIGGER PROBLEM IS THAT TRUMP LOYALISTS VIEW HIM TRUMP LOYALISTS VIEW HIM AS DISLOYAL BECAUSE THE FORMER AS DISLOYAL BECAUSE THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS SAID AS MUCH. PRESIDENT HAS SAID AS MUCH. IT WILL BE A TOUGH NEEDLE IT WILL BE A TOUGH NEEDLE TO THREAD, BUT IF HE CAN TO THREAD, BUT IF HE CAN THREATEN IT, IT WILL GO THROUGH THREATEN IT, IT WILL GO THROUGH IOWA, HOME TO A IOWA, HOME TO A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF EVANGELICAL VOTERS. EVANGELICAL VOTERS. >> THAT IS THE PENCE SWEET SPOT >> THAT IS THE PENCE SWEET SPOT AND WHERE HE HOPES TO BE ABLE AND WHERE HE HOPES TO BE ABLE TO BREAK THROUGH AS A CANDIDATE TO BREAK THROUGH AS A CANDIDATE . . AND ALEX? AND ALEX? YEAH, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT YEAH, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THAT HE'S SEEN AS A TRAITOR THAT HE'S SEEN AS A TRAITOR BY TRUMP. BY TRUMP. HE DOES HAVE A LOT OF NAME HE DOES HAVE A LOT OF NAME RECOGNITION, THOUGH, ALEX . RECOGNITION, THOUGH, ALEX . HE'S NOT NAMED TRUMP , OF HE'S NOT NAMED TRUMP , OF COURSE, BUT HE'S KNOWN TO THE COURSE, BUT HE'S KNOWN TO THE COUNTRY. COUNTRY. WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT DO YOU THINK? HOW IS HOW CAN HIS RACE FOR HOW IS HOW CAN HIS RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE IMPACT THIS THE WHITE HOUSE IMPACT THIS CROWDED REPUBLICAN PRIMARY? CROWDED REPUBLICAN PRIMARY? WELL, TERRY , I MEAN, I THINK WELL, TERRY , I MEAN, I THINK HE'S ARGUABLY THE BIGGEST NAME HE'S ARGUABLY THE BIGGEST NAME TO ENTER THIS RACE. TO ENTER THIS RACE. IT'S NOT EITHER TRUMP OR IT'S NOT EITHER TRUMP OR DESANTIS RIGHT. DESANTIS RIGHT. BUT ON THE TOPIC OF BUT ON THE TOPIC OF TAI HERNANDEZ SPECIFICALLY, HE TAI HERNANDEZ SPECIFICALLY, HE IS TRYING TO CAMPAIGN AND MAKE IS TRYING TO CAMPAIGN AND MAKE THIS A TWO PERSON RACE. THIS A TWO PERSON RACE. WE KNOW THAT HE'S POSITIONED WE KNOW THAT HE'S POSITIONED THIS THIS THIS RACE THAT WAY THIS THIS THIS RACE THAT WAY TO DONORS. TO DONORS. IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL HERE FOR IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL HERE FOR HIM THE LAST FEW MONTHS. HIM THE LAST FEW MONTHS. WELL, THIS INCREASING FIELD WELL, THIS INCREASING FIELD AND CERTAINLY WITH THE FORMER AND CERTAINLY WITH THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT NOW ENTERING, VICE PRESIDENT NOW ENTERING, WELL, IT CHANGES THAT WELL, IT CHANGES THAT CALCULATION, RIGHT? CALCULATION, RIGHT? CHANGE THE SHAPING THERE. CHANGE THE SHAPING THERE. AND SO I THINK AS AS AND SO I THINK AS AS RICK POINTED OUT, CERTAINLY RICK POINTED OUT, CERTAINLY THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT HAS THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT HAS HIS OWN CHALLENGES, THREADING HIS OWN CHALLENGES, THREADING A NEEDLE, BEING A PART OF THAT A NEEDLE, BEING A PART OF THAT TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, WHICH TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, WHICH WILL CERTAINLY RESONATE WILL CERTAINLY RESONATE WITH SOME OF THE EVANGELICALS WITH SOME OF THE EVANGELICALS HERE IN IOWA. HERE IN IOWA. HIS IS HIS HIS PRINCIPLES HIS IS HIS HIS PRINCIPLES AND HIS POLICIES, BUT ALSO THAT AND HIS POLICIES, BUT ALSO THAT TRUMP HAS CALLED HIM OUT TRUMP HAS CALLED HIM OUT SPECIFICALLY AS A TRAITOR AND SPECIFICALLY AS A TRAITOR AND NOW YOU JUXTAPOSE THAT NOW YOU JUXTAPOSE THAT WITH WITH WITH ANOTHER ANOTHER WITH WITH WITH ANOTHER ANOTHER POLITICALLY ALIGNED CANDIDATE. POLITICALLY ALIGNED CANDIDATE. AND DESANTIS, IT'S GOING TO BE AND DESANTIS, IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY, VERY TIGHTLY CONTESTED A VERY, VERY TIGHTLY CONTESTED FIELD HERE. FIELD HERE. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. RICK KLEIN , ALEX BOUCHET, RICK KLEIN , ALEX BOUCHET, WE'LL BE FOLLOWING IT ALL FOR WE'LL BE FOLLOWING IT ALL FOR SURE FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND A SURE FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF. HALF. >> WELL, COMING UP, ARTIFICIAL >> WELL, COMING UP, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS THE BEST WAY INTELLIGENCE IS THE BEST WAY TO FINISH OUR HOMEWORK OR TO FINISH OUR HOMEWORK OR A THREAT TO THE ENTIRE HUMAN A THREAT TO THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE. RACE. AND PROBABLY BOTH. AND PROBABLY BOTH. FIRST ONE , THEN THE NEXT. FIRST ONE , THEN THE NEXT. HOW WORRIED SHOULD YOU BE? HOW WORRIED SHOULD YOU BE? >> WE'RE. >> WE'RE. YOU'RE STREAMING YOU'RE STREAMING "ABC NEWS LIVE". "ABC NEWS LIVE". SO TOP TECH EXPERTS AND EXECUTIVES ARE NOW ISSUING THIS NEW WARNING ABOUT THIS NEW WARNING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DANGERS OF THE POTENTIAL DANGERS OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND HOW ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND HOW IT COULD ACTUALLY LEAD TO HUMAN IT COULD ACTUALLY LEAD TO HUMAN EXTINCTION. EXTINCTION. >> AND THESE PEOPLE WHO KNOW >> AND THESE PEOPLE WHO KNOW HUNDREDS OF EXECUTIVES HUNDREDS OF EXECUTIVES AND RESEARCHERS IN THE FIELD AND RESEARCHERS IN THE FIELD AND ENGINEERS FROM AND ENGINEERS FROM TOP COMPANIES AND UNIVERSITIES, TOP COMPANIES AND UNIVERSITIES, THEY'RE SAYING IN A STATEMENT, THEY'RE SAYING IN A STATEMENT, QUOTE, AND THEY MET THESE WORDS QUOTE, AND THEY MET THESE WORDS MITIGATING THE RISK OF MITIGATING THE RISK OF EXTINCTION FROM ARTIFICIAL EXTINCTION FROM ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE SHOULD BE A GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE SHOULD BE A GLOBAL PRIORITY ALONGSIDE OTHER PRIORITY ALONGSIDE OTHER SOCIETAL SCALE RISKS, SUCH SOCIETAL SCALE RISKS, SUCH AS PANDEMICS AND NUCLEAR WAR. AS PANDEMICS AND NUCLEAR WAR. >> JOINING US NOW TO BREAK IT >> JOINING US NOW TO BREAK IT ALL DOWN, ABC NEWS CONTRIBUTOR ALL DOWN, ABC NEWS CONTRIBUTOR AND TECH POLICY FELLOW AND TECH POLICY FELLOW MIKE MIEUX. MIKE MIEUX. SO, ALL RIGHT, HUMAN EXTINCTION SO, ALL RIGHT, HUMAN EXTINCTION IS AT RISK, ACCORDING TO THESE IS AT RISK, ACCORDING TO THESE TECH EXPERTS. TECH EXPERTS. LET'S TALK SPECIFICALLY WHAT LET'S TALK SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE WARNING IS HERE. THE WARNING IS HERE. YEAH, I DON'T THINK I THINK YEAH, I DON'T THINK I THINK THE SAME IS A LITTLE BIT THE SAME IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF ALARMIST. MORE OF ALARMIST. I DON'T THINK THE HUMAN RACE I DON'T THINK THE HUMAN RACE IS IN ANY JEOPARDY OF BEING AT IS IN ANY JEOPARDY OF BEING AT RISK. RISK. I DO BELIEVE THAT WHAT I DO BELIEVE THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING BY ISSUING THIS THEY'RE DOING BY ISSUING THIS STATEMENT IS RAISING AND ALARM STATEMENT IS RAISING AND ALARM TO MAKE SURE THE ROADS ARE IN TO MAKE SURE THE ROADS ARE IN PLACE AS OF NOW. PLACE AS OF NOW. THE INNOVATION IS THEY ARE THE INNOVATION IS THEY ARE THE INNOVATION IS OUT THERE. THE INNOVATION IS OUT THERE. AND SO I THINK WHAT AND SO I THINK WHAT THEY'RE ASKING TO DO IS TO MAKE THEY'RE ASKING TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROADS ARE IN SURE THAT THE ROADS ARE IN POSITION. POSITION. BUT KAREN TRAVERS, THE MILLION BUT KAREN TRAVERS, THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION IS WHO IS IT DOLLAR QUESTION IS WHO IS IT GOING TO BE? GOING TO BE? THE ONE TO PUT THE ROADS IN THE ONE TO PUT THE ROADS IN PLACE? PLACE? IS IT UP TO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS IT UP TO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH A STANDALONE AGENCY? WITH A STANDALONE AGENCY? IS IT UP TO THE COMPANIES IS IT UP TO THE COMPANIES THEMSELVES? THEMSELVES? SELF GOVERNANCE? SELF GOVERNANCE? THINK WHAT MAYOR IS DOING THINK WHAT MAYOR IS DOING WITH THEIR OWN GOVERNING WITH THEIR OWN GOVERNING COUNCIL AND THEIR BOARD IS WHAT COUNCIL AND THEIR BOARD IS WHAT REALLY QUESTION IS WHO SHOULD REALLY QUESTION IS WHO SHOULD BE PLAYING THESE ROLES? BE PLAYING THESE ROLES? IN PLACE? IN PLACE? THAT IS THE QUESTION I THINK THAT IS THE QUESTION I THINK THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ANSWER THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ANSWER WITH THE STATEMENT. WITH THE STATEMENT. >> AND I WONDER IF IT'S EVEN >> AND I WONDER IF IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE. POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW, EVER SINCE PROMETHEUS YOU KNOW, EVER SINCE PROMETHEUS GAVE US THE FIRE AND PANDORA GAVE US THE FIRE AND PANDORA OPENED THAT BOX, THERE'S JUST OPENED THAT BOX, THERE'S JUST NO STOPPING THE HUMAN MIND NO STOPPING THE HUMAN MIND TO EXPLORING TO THE ENDS OF TO EXPLORING TO THE ENDS OF A PROBLEM AND A CHALLENGE. A PROBLEM AND A CHALLENGE. AND AN OPPORTUNITY AND AN OPPORTUNITY AND DANGEROUS ENDS, TOO. AND DANGEROUS ENDS, TOO. RIGHT? RIGHT? I MEAN, I JUST WONDER WHAT I MEAN, I JUST WONDER WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? IS THE SOLUTION? WHAT KIND OF GUARDRAILS COULD WHAT KIND OF GUARDRAILS COULD BE PUT ON THIS KIND OF THIS BE PUT ON THIS KIND OF THIS KIND OF PROJECT THAT'S KIND OF PROJECT THAT'S THE THING. THE THING. WITH EVERY INNOVATION COMES WITH EVERY INNOVATION COMES A CAUTIONARY TALE, RIGHT. A CAUTIONARY TALE, RIGHT. WHEN WE FIRST GOT EMAIL, THERE WHEN WE FIRST GOT EMAIL, THERE WAS CAUTIONARY TALES ABOUT WAS CAUTIONARY TALES ABOUT SCAMS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE. SCAMS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE. WHEN WE GOT TO LINKEDIN, FOR WHEN WE GOT TO LINKEDIN, FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE CAUTIONARY TALES EXAMPLE, THOSE CAUTIONARY TALES ABOUT INDIVIDUALS DOING RAISING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS DOING RAISING MONEY FOR COMPANIES THAT DID MONEY FOR COMPANIES THAT DID NOT EXIST, SCAMMING POTENTIAL NOT EXIST, SCAMMING POTENTIAL INVESTORS. INVESTORS. RIGHT WHEN SOCIAL MEDIA CAME RIGHT WHEN SOCIAL MEDIA CAME INTO PLAY, THERE WAS A SPREAD INTO PLAY, THERE WAS A SPREAD OF DISINFORMATION OF DISINFORMATION AND MISINFORMATION THAT IS OUT AND MISINFORMATION THAT IS OUT THERE. THERE. AND SO EVERY TIME A NEW AND SO EVERY TIME A NEW INNOVATION COMES, THERE'S INNOVATION COMES, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE CAUTIONARY ALWAYS GOING TO BE CAUTIONARY THAT COMES WITH IT. THAT COMES WITH IT. SO WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT ARE SO WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT ARE THE ISSUES, IT'S TECHNOLOGY THE ISSUES, IT'S TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION. AND INNOVATION. WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL OF WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL OF SPECIFICS NEEDS TO BE THERE. SPECIFICS NEEDS TO BE THERE. BUT WHAT IS FUNDAMENTAL IS THAT BUT WHAT IS FUNDAMENTAL IS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT CARS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT CARS AND UNIVERSITIES ARE RETOOLED AND UNIVERSITIES ARE RETOOLED THEIR EDUCATIONAL CURRICULUM THEIR EDUCATIONAL CURRICULUM TO ENSURE THAT THE ENGINEERS TO ENSURE THAT THE ENGINEERS THAT ARE TRAINING HAS BIASE THAT ARE TRAINING HAS BIASE TRAINING HAVE UNDERSTAND THAT TRAINING HAVE UNDERSTAND THAT HOW TO LOOK OUT FOR THE BLIND HOW TO LOOK OUT FOR THE BLIND SPOTS IN THE ALGORITHMS SPOTS IN THE ALGORITHMS THEY'RE CREATING WHAT WE NEED THEY'RE CREATING WHAT WE NEED TO PUSH FOR MORE IS DATA TO PUSH FOR MORE IS DATA SCIENTISTS THAT COME FROM SCIENTISTS THAT COME FROM A DIVERSE BACKGROUND TO REALLY A DIVERSE BACKGROUND TO REALLY CREATE THE DATA SETS TO BUILD CREATE THE DATA SETS TO BUILD OFF, TO MAKE THAT PLAY, WE ALSO OFF, TO MAKE THAT PLAY, WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE CORPORATIONS HAVE CORPORATIONS HAVE MORE SOCIOLOGISTS AND OTHER MORE SOCIOLOGISTS AND OTHER PSYCHOLOGISTS. PSYCHOLOGISTS. THEY'RE THERE TO HELP BUILD THEY'RE THERE TO HELP BUILD THE TECHNOLOGY. THE TECHNOLOGY. GOING FORWARD, IT NEEDS TO BE GOING FORWARD, IT NEEDS TO BE MORE OF A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. MORE OF A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. THOSE ARE FUNDAMENTAL GARBO'S THOSE ARE FUNDAMENTAL GARBO'S THAT COULD HELP BE PUT IN PLACE THAT COULD HELP BE PUT IN PLACE TO SOLVE FOR THE UNKNOWN AND SO TO SOLVE FOR THE UNKNOWN AND SO MUCH UNKNOWN. MUCH UNKNOWN. >> I MEAN, I REMEMBER WHAT >> I MEAN, I REMEMBER WHAT STARTED AS A CONVERSATION ABOUT STARTED AS A CONVERSATION ABOUT DEEP FAKES. DEEP FAKES. WE'RE NOW MOVING IN TO TALKING WE'RE NOW MOVING IN TO TALKING ABOUT THE EXTINCTION OF ABOUT THE EXTINCTION OF THE HUMAN RACE. THE HUMAN RACE. I MEAN, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK I MEAN, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK WE HAVE BEFORE THIS THREAT WE HAVE BEFORE THIS THREAT REALLY BECOMES MORE REALISTIC? REALLY BECOMES MORE REALISTIC? WE'RE FAR FROM THE CAN MAKING WE'RE FAR FROM THE CAN MAKING THAT REALISTIC, BUT WE NEED THAT REALISTIC, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROADS ARE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROADS ARE IN PLACE ON THE FRONT END. IN PLACE ON THE FRONT END. BUT THAT COMES FROM THIS COHORT BUT THAT COMES FROM THIS COHORT OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE CREATING OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE CREATING THESE PRODUCTS AND THESE TOOLS THESE PRODUCTS AND THESE TOOLS TO BE THERE. TO BE THERE. THERE MAY COME A POINT WHERE THERE MAY COME A POINT WHERE THE MACHINES START TO LEARN OFF THE MACHINES START TO LEARN OFF OF ITSELF AND WE DON'T KNOW OF ITSELF AND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE MACHINE EXACTLY WHAT THE MACHINE IS LEARNING OF. IS LEARNING OF. BUT IN THAT MOMENT, WE NEED BUT IN THAT MOMENT, WE NEED TO BE PREPARING FOR THAT TO BE PREPARING FOR THAT SCENARIO. SCENARIO. AS OF NOW, SO IT IS GOOD THAT AS OF NOW, SO IT IS GOOD THAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT IT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT IT TO WIN. TO WIN. THAT SCENARIO DOES COME. THAT SCENARIO DOES COME. WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE MEASURE WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE MEASURE THAT SAYS, WHOA, BREAK JUST IN THAT SAYS, WHOA, BREAK JUST IN CASE OF EMERGENCY? CASE OF EMERGENCY? I THINK THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE I THINK THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED ON THE STATEMENT ARE WHO SIGNED ON THE STATEMENT ARE ASKING US WHAT TO DO JUST ASKING US WHAT TO DO JUST BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO REALLY BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO REALLY NAIL THE SPECIFIC THE THINGS NAIL THE SPECIFIC THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE SOLVING FOR. THAT WE NEED TO BE SOLVING FOR. IT'S JUST TECHNOLOGY. IT'S JUST TECHNOLOGY. IT'S JUST INNOVATION. IT'S JUST INNOVATION. >> THE FUTURE IS NOW ALL RIGHT >> THE FUTURE IS NOW ALL RIGHT . . >> MIKE MYERS, THANKS VERY MUCH >> MIKE MYERS, THANKS VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US AND THANK FOR JOINING US AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING WITH US. YOU FOR SHARING WITH US. I'M KYRA PHILLIPS AND I'M I'M KYRA PHILLIPS AND I'M TERRY MORAN. 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