YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING COUPLE OF DAYS. INTERESTING COUPLE OF DAYS. BRIAN , THANK YOU SO MUCH. BRIAN , THANK YOU SO MUCH. WELL, SOURCES ARE TELLING WELL, SOURCES ARE TELLING ABC NEWS THAT FEDERAL ABC NEWS THAT FEDERAL PROSECUTORS HAVE OBTAINED A NEW PROSECUTORS HAVE OBTAINED A NEW AUDIO RECORDING OF FORMER AUDIO RECORDING OF FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. PRESIDENT TRUMP. THEY SAY IN THAT RECORDING, THEY SAY IN THAT RECORDING, TRUMP ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGES TRUMP ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT HE KEPT A CLASSIFIED THAT HE KEPT A CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT AFTER LEAVING OFFICE, DOCUMENT AFTER LEAVING OFFICE, INDICATING THAT HE KNEW THE INDICATING THAT HE KNEW THE DOCUMENT IN QUESTION WAS DOCUMENT IN QUESTION WAS SECRET. SECRET. THAT RECORDING COULD BE A KEY THAT RECORDING COULD BE A KEY PIECE OF EVIDENCE IN SPECIAL PIECE OF EVIDENCE IN SPECIAL COUNSEL. COUNSEL. JACK SMITH'S INVESTIGATION INTO JACK SMITH'S INVESTIGATION INTO THE FORMER PRESIDENT . THE FORMER PRESIDENT . >> PIERRE THOMAS HAS MORE . >> PIERRE THOMAS HAS MORE . FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HEADING FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HEADING INTO A RADIO INTERVIEW IN DES INTO A RADIO INTERVIEW IN DES MOINES AS NEWS BREAKS ABOUT HIS MOINES AS NEWS BREAKS ABOUT HIS ALLEGED HANDLING OF CLASSIFIED ALLEGED HANDLING OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS. DOCUMENTS. FEDERAL PROSECUTORS HAVE FEDERAL PROSECUTORS HAVE OBTAINED AN AUDIO RECORDING OF OBTAINED AN AUDIO RECORDING OF TRUMP ALLEGEDLY ACKNOWLEDGING TRUMP ALLEGEDLY ACKNOWLEDGING HE KEPT A CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT HE KEPT A CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT ABOUT A POSSIBLE ATTACK ON IRAN ABOUT A POSSIBLE ATTACK ON IRAN . . ACCORDING TO SOURCES FAMILIAR ACCORDING TO SOURCES FAMILIAR WITH THE INVESTIGATION, WITH THE INVESTIGATION, THE RECORDING, SOURCES SAID , THE RECORDING, SOURCES SAID , WAS MADE DURING A JULY 2012 WAS MADE DURING A JULY 2012 ONE MEETING AND HIS BEDMINSTER ONE MEETING AND HIS BEDMINSTER CLUB THAT TRUMP DEALT WITH TWO. ONE MEETING AND HIS BEDMINSTER CLUB THAT TRUMP DEALT WITH TWO.L ONE MEETING AND HIS BEDMINSTER CLUB THAT TRUMP DEALT WITH TWO.B ONE MEETING AND HIS BEDMINSTER CLUB THAT TRUMP DEALT WITH TWO., CLUB THAT TRUMP DEALT WITH TWO., THAT TRUMP TRO THAT TRUMP TRO PEOPLE WHO ARE HELPING FORMER PEOPLE WHO ARE HELPING FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF MARK MEADOWS CHIEF OF STAFF MARK MEADOWS WITH HIS BOOK THE CHIEFS. WITH HIS BOOK THE CHIEFS. TRUMP ALLEGEDLY INDICATED TRUMP ALLEGEDLY INDICATED DURING THE RECORDING HE DURING THE RECORDING HE KNEW THE DOCUMENT IN QUESTION KNEW THE DOCUMENT IN QUESTION WAS SECRET. WAS SECRET. THE SOURCES SAID THE THE SOURCES SAID THE ALLEGED RECORDING COULD BE A ALLEGED RECORDING COULD BE A CRUCIAL PIECE OF EVIDENCE CRUCIAL PIECE OF EVIDENCE AS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL ASSESSES AS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL ASSESSES WHETHER TRUMP VIOLATED ANY WHETHER TRUMP VIOLATED ANY FEDERAL LAWS OR PUT NATIONAL FEDERAL LAWS OR PUT NATIONAL SECURITY AT RISK. SECURITY AT RISK. THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS INSISTED THAT THE DOCUMENTS INSISTED THAT THE DOCUMENTS WERE AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED WERE AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED ,SAYING THIS AT A TOWN HALL ,SAYING THIS AT A TOWN HALL JUST LAST MONTH. JUST LAST MONTH. >> DID YOU EVER SHOW HIS >> DID YOU EVER SHOW HIS CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS TO ANYONE? CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS TO ANYONE? NOT REALLY. NOT REALLY. I WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO , I WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO , BY THE WAY THEY WERE. BY THE WAY THEY WERE. NOT THAT I CAN THINK. NOT THAT I CAN THINK. >> ACCORDING TO SOURCES >> ACCORDING TO SOURCES FAMILIAR WITH THE FAMILIAR WITH THE INVESTIGATION, WITNESSES INVESTIGATION, WITNESSES AND SPECIAL COUNSEL AND SPECIAL COUNSEL JACK SMITH'S PROBE HAVE BEEN JACK SMITH'S PROBE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONED ABOUT THE RECORDING QUESTIONED ABOUT THE RECORDING . . MEADOWS WAS NOT PRESENT FOR MEADOWS WAS NOT PRESENT FOR THE JULY 20 21 MEETING, BUT THE JULY 20 21 MEETING, BUT SOURCES SAID OTHER TRUMP AIDES, SOURCES SAID OTHER TRUMP AIDES, INCLUDING MARCO MARTIN, WERE INCLUDING MARCO MARTIN, WERE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE DECLINED TO COMMENT DECLINED TO COMMENT ON THE RECORDING, WHICH ON THE RECORDING, WHICH ABC NEWS HAS NOT LISTEN TO NOR ABC NEWS HAS NOT LISTEN TO NOR OBTAINED. OBTAINED. TRUMP CAN ALLEGEDLY BE HEARD TRUMP CAN ALLEGEDLY BE HEARD ATTACKING THE JOINT CHIEFS OF ATTACKING THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF GEN.. STAFF GEN.. MARK MILLEY AND REFERENCE MARK MILLEY AND REFERENCE ONE DOCUMENT IN PARTICULAR THAT ONE DOCUMENT IN PARTICULAR THAT TRUMP CLAIMS HE HAD COMPILED TRUMP CLAIMS HE HAD COMPILED OVERNIGHT. OVERNIGHT. A TRUMP SPOKESPERSON SLAMMED A TRUMP SPOKESPERSON SLAMMED THE NEW REPORTING, SAYING IT THE NEW REPORTING, SAYING IT WAS ALL LEAKS FROM RADICAL WAS ALL LEAKS FROM RADICAL PARTIZANS ENGAGING IN PARTIZANS ENGAGING IN POLITICAL PERSECUTION KYRA. POLITICAL PERSECUTION KYRA. >> ALL RIGHT, PIERRE THOMAS, >> ALL RIGHT, PIERRE THOMAS, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WELL, FOR MORE , LET'S BRING IN WELL, FOR MORE , LET'S BRING IN SENIOR REPORTER SENIOR REPORTER KATHERINE FAULDERS, ALSO FORMER KATHERINE FAULDERS, ALSO FORMER CHIEF MINORITY COUNSEL OF CHIEF MINORITY COUNSEL OF THE U.S. SENATE PERMANENT THE U.S. SENATE PERMANENT SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS, SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS, JEFF ROBBINS, JOINING ME NOW. JEFF ROBBINS, JOINING ME NOW. SO, KATHERINE , WHAT IS TRUMP'S SO, KATHERINE , WHAT IS TRUMP'S RESPONSE TO TO THE NEW RESPONSE TO TO THE NEW REPORTING TODAY? REPORTING TODAY? WELL, YOU HEARD SOME OF WHAT WELL, YOU HEARD SOME OF WHAT PETER SAID THERE ABOUT WHAT HIS PETER SAID THERE ABOUT WHAT HIS SPOKESPERSON IS SAYING, SAYING SPOKESPERSON IS SAYING, SAYING IT'S FROM PARTIZANS WHO ARE IT'S FROM PARTIZANS WHO ARE POLITICAL . POLITICAL . BUT, KYRA, THIS IS A RESPONSE BUT, KYRA, THIS IS A RESPONSE THAT YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE FROM THAT YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE FROM TRUMP . TRUMP . IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT INVESTIGATION YOU'RE TALKING INVESTIGATION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. ABOUT. HE'S ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT HE'S ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT THE REPORTING IS NOT TOTALLY THE REPORTING IS NOT TOTALLY ACCURATE AND THAT THIS IS DOJ ACCURATE AND THAT THIS IS DOJ TRYING TO SPIN THINGS. TRYING TO SPIN THINGS. BUT HE'S NOT OUTRIGHT DENYING BUT HE'S NOT OUTRIGHT DENYING THIS IS SPOKESPEOPLE AREN'T THIS IS SPOKESPEOPLE AREN'T THEY'RE CALLING THIS ANOTHER THEY'RE CALLING THIS ANOTHER WITCH HUNT.ARTMENT WITCH HUNT.ARTMENT THEY'RE SAYING THE DEPARTMENT THEY'RE SAYING THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS INTERFERING IN OF JUSTICE IS INTERFERING IN THE ELECTION. THE ELECTION. BUT WHAT'S CLEAR FROM TALKING BUT WHAT'S CLEAR FROM TALKING TO SOURCES LAST NIGHT AND TODAY TO SOURCES LAST NIGHT AND TODAY ABOUT THIS IS THAT THERE ABOUT THIS IS THAT THERE IS WORRY INSIDE TRUMP WORLD. IS WORRY INSIDE TRUMP WORLD. THE LAWYERS WERE PROBABLY THE LAWYERS WERE PROBABLY EXPECTING THAT THIS RECORDINGUT THE LAWYERS WERE PROBABLY EXPECTING THAT THIS RECORDINGUTT EXPECTING THAT THIS RECORDINGUTT WOULD GET OUT AT SOME POINT. WOULD GET OUT AT SOME POINT. AND , OF COURSE, THIS OPENS AND , OF COURSE, THIS OPENS THE DOOR TO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DOOR TO QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THERE ARE WHETHER THERE ARE MORE RECORDINGS. MORE RECORDINGS. WE'RE TOLD THERE COULD BE , WE'RE TOLD THERE COULD BE , AS HIS AIDES WERE KNOWN AS HIS AIDES WERE KNOWN TO RECORD MULTIPLE INTERACTIONS TO RECORD MULTIPLE INTERACTIONS AS ONE WAS DONE FOR A BOOK. AS ONE WAS DONE FOR A BOOK. THERE ARE MULTIPLE BOOKS THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE BOOKS THAT HE'S TALKED FOR THAT HE'S TALKED FOR THAT HE'S INTERVIEWED FOR. HE'S INTERVIEWED FOR. SO WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE SO WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE OTHER ADDITIONAL RECORDINGS OTHER ADDITIONAL RECORDINGS THAT COULD BE LIKE THIS IS ONE THAT COULD BE LIKE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. OF THOSE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. SO, I MEAN, JEFF, LET'S TALK SO, I MEAN, JEFF, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS RECORDING. ABOUT THIS RECORDING. IT'S HARD TO DISPUTE IT'S HARD TO DISPUTE A RECORDING, RIGHT? A RECORDING, RIGHT? HOW POWERFUL COULD THIS BE ? HOW POWERFUL COULD THIS BE ? FOR SPECIAL COUNSEL AND HIS FOR SPECIAL COUNSEL AND HIS INVESTIGATION INTO TRUMP'S INVESTIGATION INTO TRUMP'S ACTIONS? ACTIONS? >> HERE? >> HERE? VERY POWERFUL. VERY POWERFUL. I MEAN, IT IS ANOTHER RED FLAG I MEAN, IT IS ANOTHER RED FLAG IN FRONT OF A BULL. IN FRONT OF A BULL. AND THE BULL IN THIS CASE, AND THE BULL IN THIS CASE, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. IT IS SUCH A SORT OF AN IT IS SUCH A SORT OF AN ARROGANT DISPLAY. ARROGANT DISPLAY. YOU SHOULD ALL SEE THIS AMAZING YOU SHOULD ALL SEE THIS AMAZING SECRET WAR MEMO THAT I HAVE SECRET WAR MEMO THAT I HAVE AGAINST IRAN. AGAINST IRAN. IT'S REALLY NEAT. IT'S REALLY NEAT. IT'S SUCH AN AFFRONT THAT IT IT'S SUCH AN AFFRONT THAT IT REALLY MAKES IT VERY HARD FOR REALLY MAKES IT VERY HARD FOR THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, FOR THOSE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, FOR THOSE IN HIS OFFICE TO SAY THAT IN HIS OFFICE TO SAY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO NOT PROSECUTE THEY ARE GOING TO NOT PROSECUTE THE FORMER PRESIDENT . THE FORMER PRESIDENT . THE ARGUMENT BEING HOW CAN WE THE ARGUMENT BEING HOW CAN WE NOT WHEN HE IS BEING SO NOT WHEN HE IS BEING SO OPENLY CONTEMPTUOUS OF THE OF OPENLY CONTEMPTUOUS OF THE OF THE CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM. THE CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM. SO IT'S A VERY POWERFUL PIECE SO IT'S A VERY POWERFUL PIECE OF EVIDENCE. OF EVIDENCE. IT'S PART OF A LARGE BODY OF IT'S PART OF A LARGE BODY OF POWERFUL EVIDENCE. POWERFUL EVIDENCE. AND FRANKLY, THE FORMER AND FRANKLY, THE FORMER PRESIDENT SEEMS BENT PRESIDENT SEEMS BENT ON COOKING HIS OWN GOOSE. ON COOKING HIS OWN GOOSE. AND NEITHER LAWYERS NOR LOVED AND NEITHER LAWYERS NOR LOVED ONES SUCH AS THEY ARE SEEM ONES SUCH AS THEY ARE SEEM CAPABLE OF PREVENTING HIM FROM CAPABLE OF PREVENTING HIM FROM DOING THAT. DOING THAT. >> SO CATHERINE , SPECIAL >> SO CATHERINE , SPECIAL COUNSEL SPOKEN TO ANY OTHER COUNSEL SPOKEN TO ANY OTHER WITNESSES ABOUT THIS RECORDING WITNESSES ABOUT THIS RECORDING ? ? WELL, WE KNOW THAT HE HAS WELL, WE KNOW THAT HE HAS SPOKEN TO THE WITNESS WHO IS SPOKEN TO THE WITNESS WHO IS ALLEGED TO HAVE RECORDED THIS ALLEGED TO HAVE RECORDED THIS INTERACTION THAT WE KNOW INTERACTION THAT WE KNOW THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S TEAM THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S TEAM BROUGHT THIS UP IN OTHER BROUGHT THIS UP IN OTHER INTERVIEWS AND BEFORE THE GRAND INTERVIEWS AND BEFORE THE GRAND JURY. JURY. BUT I THINK WHAT HE WANTS ON IN JURY. BUT I THINK WHAT HE WANTS ON INW BUT I THINK WHAT HE WANTS ON INW TO DRILL DOWN ON IN WHAT JEFF TO DRILL DOWN ON IN WHAT JEFF REALLY TOUCHED ON THERE IS IT REALLY TOUCHED ON THERE IS IT SEEMS THAT IT'S ALMOST SEEMS THAT IT'S ALMOST LESS ABOUT THE CONTENT OF LESS ABOUT THE CONTENT OF THE DOCUMENT. THE DOCUMENT. HE IS TALKING ABOUT. HE IS TALKING ABOUT. AND IT GOES RIGHT TO THE HEART AND IT GOES RIGHT TO THE HEART OF THIS INTENT ARGUMENT. OF THIS INTENT ARGUMENT. WHAT WE'RE TOLD FROM WHAT WE'RE TOLD FROM OUR SOURCES WAS THAT ON THIS OUR SOURCES WAS THAT ON THIS RECORDING, TRUMP WAS RECORDING, TRUMP WAS ESSENTIALLY HEARD ACKNOWLEDGINGE RECORDING, TRUMP WAS ESSENTIALLY HEARD ACKNOWLEDGINGS RECORDING, TRUMP WAS ESSENTIALLY HEARD ACKNOWLEDGINGE ESSENTIALLY HEARD ACKNOWLEDGINGE THAT HE HAD A SECRET DOCUMENT, THAT HE HAD A SECRET DOCUMENT, A CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT IN HIS A CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT IN HIS POSSESSION, THAT HE KNEW HE POSSESSION, THAT HE KNEW HE SHOULDN'T HAVE. SHOULDN'T HAVE. AND AS YOU ALL HAVE BEEN AND AS YOU ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S ON TAPE. TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S ON TAPE. IT'S HARD TO DISPUTE THAT IT'S HARD TO DISPUTE THAT IS LIKELY WHAT WITNESSES ARE IS LIKELY WHAT WITNESSES ARE BEING ASKED ABOUT, AT LEAST IN BEING ASKED ABOUT, AT LEAST IN PART, WHETHER IT BE IN PART, WHETHER IT BE IN INTERVIEWS OR BEFORE THE GRAND INTERVIEWS OR BEFORE THE GRAND JURY KYRA. JURY KYRA. AND , JEFF, WE KNOW THAT AND , JEFF, WE KNOW THAT TRUMP HAS TALKED HIS WAY OUT OF TRUMP HAS TALKED HIS WAY OUT OF A LOT OF THINGS. A LOT OF THINGS. HE'S JUSTIFIED THINGS IN HIS HE'S JUSTIFIED THINGS IN HIS OWN WAY. OWN WAY. BUT THERE'S A RECORDING. . BUT THERE'S A RECORDING. . THIS IS THIS IS GOING TO BE THIS IS THIS IS GOING TO BE HARD FOR HIM TO , YOU KNOW, HARD FOR HIM TO , YOU KNOW, TO TO BEAT. TO TO BEAT. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. AND , YOU KNOW, IT'S AND , YOU KNOW, IT'S A RECORDING, BUT IT'S PART OF A RECORDING, BUT IT'S PART OF A C AT THIS POINT OF VIDEOTAPES A RECORDING, BUT IT'S PART OF A C AT THIS POINT OF VIDEOTAPESI A RECORDING, BUT IT'S PART OF A C AT THIS POINT OF VIDEOTAPESE A RECORDING, BUT IT'S PART OF A C AT THIS POINT OF VIDEOTAPEST A RECORDING, BUT IT'S PART OF A C AT THIS POINT OF VIDEOTAPESP A RECORDING, BUT IT'S PART OF A C AT THIS POINT OF VIDEOTAPESS A C AT THIS POINT OF VIDEOTAPESS AND AUDIOTAPES AND AUDIOTAPES AND AUDIOTAPES AND TWEETS AND AUDIOTAPES AND TWEETS AND WITNESS TESTIMONY THAT AND WITNESS TESTIMONY THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE IS AMASSING. IS AMASSING. AND IT'S VERY UNCLEAR WHAT WHA AND IT'S VERY UNCLEAR WHAT WHA THE DEFENSE TO THESE TO THIS THE DEFENSE TO THESE TO THIS EVIDENCE IS GOING TO BE. EVIDENCE IS GOING TO BE. SURELY THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS SURELY THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS NOT GOING TO TAKE THE STAND IN NOT GOING TO TAKE THE STAND IN HIS OWN DEFENSE BECAUSE FOR HIM HIS OWN DEFENSE BECAUSE FOR HIM TO TAKE THE STAND WOULD TO TAKE THE STAND WOULD TO TAKE THE STAND WOULD TO TAKE THE STAND WOULD BE CUSTER'S BE CUSTER'S BE CUSTER'S LAST STAND. BE CUSTER'S LAST STAND. HE'LL BE MASSACRED. HE'LL BE MASSACRED. SO THE QUESTION IS , WHAT? SO THE QUESTION IS , WHAT? OTHER THAN A PETER PAN DEFENSE, OTHER THAN A PETER PAN DEFENSE, WHICH IS THAT HE CAN SIMPLY WHICH IS THAT HE CAN SIMPLY CLAP HIS HANDS AND THINK OF CLAP HIS HANDS AND THINK OF TINKERBELLE AND DECLASSIFIED TINKERBELLE AND DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS OR THE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS OR THE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS BECOME DECLASSIFIED. DOCUMENTS BECOME DECLASSIFIED. OTHER THAN THAT,