Transcript for China-Russia talks highlight tensions with US, Western allies
MEET TODAY.
ABC NEWS FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT
TOM SOUFI BURRIDGE IS IN KYIV.
SO, TOM , WHAT'S THE LATEST
ON THIS PROPOSED PEACE PLAN?
AND WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE
BIGGEST TAKEAWAY AFTER
THEIR JOINT STATEMENT?
I UNDERSTAND THAT TALKS ARE
FINISHED NOW.
YEAH, THREE AND A HALF HOURS OF
TALKS, KYRA, TODAY.
DAY TWO OF THIS PIVOTAL SUMMIT.
AND THERE ARE SOME TAKEAWAYS.
I MEAN, THERE'S THE BIG
PICTURE, DEEPER ECONOMIC TIES,
DEEPER ECONOMIC COOPERATION,
THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF RUSSIAN
ENERGY TO CHINA.
YOU THAT'S THE BIG PICTURE.
ALSO, GLOBALLY, GEOPOLITICALLY,
YOU KNOW, THIS IS RUSSIA
AND CHINA KIND OF SETTING OUT,
I THINK, TONIGHT, SAYING
TO MUCH OF THE WORLD AND I
THINK, YOU KNOW, AFRICA,
THE MIDDLE EAST, LATIN AMERICA
KIND OF SAYING, LOOK, YOU KNOW,
THE ERA OF US DOMINANCE AROUND
THE WORLD HAS ENDED.
WE ARE KIND OF BIG POWERS.
WE BELIEVE IN A MULTIPOLAR
WORLD .
YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW WE SEE
THE WORLD DIFFERENTLY.
SO THERE'S THAT KIND OF BIG
PICTURE, I THINK, TO THAT PART
OF THE WORLD.
ON UKRAINE, I THINK YOU CHINA
TONIGHT HAS NOT GONE KIND OF
AS FAR PROBABLY AS PUTIN WOULD
HAVE LIKED.
I MEAN, HE'S NOT YOU KNOW,
SHE'S NOT COMING OUT AND SAYING
WE'RE GOING TO GET INVOLVED
WITH THE WAR.
THERE'S NO MENTION OF ARMS OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UNSURPRISINGLY, BUT WHAT CHINA
IS DOING TONIGHT IS SORT OF
SUBTLY SAYING WE'VE GOT
YOUR BACK ON UKRAINE.
>> AND THERE'S A REFERENCE IN
THE JOINT STATEMENT TO THE
IMPORTANCE OF THE CONFLICT NOT
ESCALATING FURTHER HERE.
AND IN A WAY THAT'S
CONTRADICTORY BECAUSE
THE SITUATION IS ONLY KIND OF
DETERIORATED IN UKRAINE BECAUSE
OF RUSSIA'S INVASION OF
A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, CHINA
IS SAYING, I THINK IMPLICITLY
TO THE WEST, UKRAINE'S GOT THIS
OFFENSIVE COMING UP.
WE KNOW THE UNITED STATES IS
WORKING REALLY HAND IN
HAND WITH THE UKRAINIANS AT
THE MOMENT, TRAINING THEM,
ARMING THEM.
THERE'S A BIGGER OFFENSIVE
BEING PREPARED FOR THE COMING
WEEKS.
AND I THINK CHINA IMPLICITLY
IS SAYING DON'T BEAT RUSSIA TOO
MUCH, DON'T DEFEAT PUTIN.
TOO MUCH, DON'T MAKE THIS
MORE DANGEROUS THAN IT
CURRENTLY IS .
>> SO, OKAY, THEN WHERE DO WE
STAND ON THE INITIAL CONCERN
THAT CHINA WAS GOING TO PROVIDE
VLADIMIR PUTIN AND HIS SOLDIERS
WITH WEAPONS?
IS THAT OFF THE TABLE STILL
ON THE TABLE?
>> WELL, I THINK IT'S KIND OF
PUBLICLY OFF THE TABLE.
I DON'T THINK THE CHINESE GOING
NOW.
I MEAN, I THINK MOST PEOPLE
MOST ANALYSTS BELIEVE THAT IT
WOULD BE QUITE A RISKY STEP FOR
THE CHINESE.
I MEAN, DO THEY DO IT COVERTLY?
COULD THEY GET AWAY WITH THAT?
I MEAN, I WAS IN A BRIEFING
EARLIER WITH WESTERN OFFICIALS
AND THEY SAID THEY'D SEEN
IMAGES OF ARTILLERY SHELLS
WITH CHINESE WRITING APPEARING.
BUT THE WESTERN OFFICIALS DID
POINT OUT THAT, LOOK,
THE INTERNATIONAL ARMS MARKET,
IT IS A FLUID PLACE.
SO IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE THAT
CHINESE SHELLS ARE POSSESSED
BY OTHER COUNTRIES AND END UP
IN THE POSSESSION OF
THE RUSSIANS.
BUT THE IDEA THAT THE CHINESE
ARE DIRECTLY ARMING
THE RUSSIANS RIGHT NOW IS NOT
REALLY A REALITY.
I THINK, LOOK, YOU KNOW, CHINA
IS PROVIDING LOTS OF OTHER
SUPPORT.
IT'S GIVING, YOU KNOW,
TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE
COMPONENTS, ELECTRICAL
COMPONENTS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT
IT'S SUPPLYING DRONES,
COMMERCIAL DRONES, NOT THE SORT
OF MILITARY LETHAL DRONES, BUT
THEY CAN BE CONVERTED.
THEY USED MASSIVELY
ON THE BATTLEFIELD BY BOTH
SIDES.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME
PRACTICAL SUPPORT.
BUT REALLY TODAY AND THIS
SUMMIT IN GENERAL IS ABOUT
PRESIDENT XI STANDING SHOULDER
TO SHOULDER WITH PRESIDENT
PUTIN AND LEADERS.
REALLY THAT IN SOME SENSE
IS THIS QUITE WEAKENED BY THE
CONFLICT HERE IN UKRAINE?
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO READ, YOU
KNOW, HOW WEAK HE IS BACK IN
RUSSIA BECAUSE IT'S AN
AUTOCRACY, BECAUSE IT'S
A DEMOCRACY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SHE'S STANDING
SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH HIM
TODAY AND THEY ARE SAYING,
OKAY, WE'VE PUT A PEACE
PROPOSAL OUT THERE.
THE CHINESE AND THE RUSSIANS
ARE SAYING, OH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE
TAKING THE MORAL HIGH GROUND.
I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER MESSAGE
COMING OUT TONIGHT.
THAT THE RUSSIANS AND THE
CHINESE ARE TRYING TO TAKE
THE MORAL HIGH GROUND
ON UKRAINE.
AND IN SOME SENSES, THAT'S
RIDICULOUS.
I MEAN, IF YOU KNOW THE REALITY
ON THE GROUND HERE IN UKRAINE,
YOU KNOW, RUSSIA HAS INVADED
A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY, YOU KNOW,
ABOUT THE WAR CRIMES EVIDENCE,
WHICH IS WIDESPREAD.
AND YOU KNOW THAT THE RUSSIANS
ARE JUST PUSHING ON IN THE EAST
AND TRYING TO TAKE MORE LAND.
BUT THE CHINESE THAT ARE
PUTTING THIS PROPOSAL OUT THERE
SAYING WE'RE FOLLOWING
THE NORMS OF THE UNITED NATIONS
,SOMETHING THAT IS COMPLETELY
REJECTED BY THE UNITED STATES
AND ITS ALLIES.
BUT IT IS I THINK, AGAIN, CHINA
AND RUSSIA APPEALING TO MUCH OF
THE REST OF THE WORLD, AFRICA,
THE MIDDLE EAST, AND SAYING,
OH, WE ARE THE ONES
ACTUALLY PUSHING OF PEACE.
THEY'RE PLAYING A GAME HERE.
THEY'RE TRYING TO BE
THE BROKERS WHEN THAT DOESN'T
MIRROR THE REALITY.
BUT IT IS A MESSAGING PART OF
THEIR PROPAGANDA.
>> AND IN CERTAIN CORNERS OF
THE WORLD, IT MIGHT WORK
TO SOME DEGREE.
SO THEY'RE MEETING NOW.
UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY
IS MEETING WITH JAPAN'S PRIME
MINISTER THERE IN KYIV.
>> WHY NOW?
WELL, I THINK THIS IS , AGAIN,
JUST A REALLY INTERESTING KIND
OF PIECE OF THE BROADER JIGSAW
PUZZLE.
>> YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THESE
TWO KEY LEADERS, RUSSIA
AND CHINA, MEETING IN MOSCOW,
YOU KNOW, SORT OF A LANDMARK
SUMMIT.
BUT THERE ARE MANY EVENTS
HAPPENING AROUND THE SIDE OF
THIS.
WE HAD DRONE ATTACKS IN RUSSIAN
CONTROLLED CRIMEA LATE LAST
NIGHT.
THE UKRAINIANS CLAIMING THEY'VE
DESTROYED RUSSIAN MISSILES
AND THAT THE LEADER OF JAPAN.
IT'S THE FIRST TIME A JAPANESE
LEADER HAS VISITED A COUNTRY
DURING WARTIME SINCE WORLD WAR
TWO .
AND I THINK THE TIMING OF
THE JAPANESE LEADER TO COME
INTO KYIV TODAY IS NO SURPRISE.
AND JAPAN IS A KEY ALLY OF
UKRAINE.
>> AND I THINK IT'S, AGAIN,
THE WEST COORDINATING THIS,
MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS A BIT
OF MESSAGING WHILE THIS CHINESE
RUSSIAN SUMMIT GOES ON TO SAY,
HEY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, RUSSIA HAS
ITS ALLIES, IMPORTANT ALLIES,
BUT UKRAINE HAS A LOT OF ALLIES
TO A LOT OF FRIENDS TO YOU
KNOW, WORLD LEADERS HAVE BEEN
COMING IN IN DROVES INTO THIS
CAPITAL CITY THROUGHOUT
THE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE.
AND , YOU KNOW, AGAIN,
THE CHINESE LEADER IS SYMBOLIC,
IMPORTANT, AND IT IS PART OF
THE OVERALL GEOPOLITICAL
DYNAMIC.
AND WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT,
YOU IT IS THE KIND OF OVER TIME
WE ARE REALLY SEEING
THE CREATION OF TWO BROAD
CAMPS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TWO BIG
CAMPS.
AND UKRAINE IS THE AREA T
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